>       >

>       > I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here.
>       That's too bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here
>       and would love to contribute more. 

>       > I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo
>       campaign. The initial showing for the fundraiser is quite
>       impressive. I have no doubt you will exceed your financial goals
>       on this. I donated. 

>       >

>       >  But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger
>       community impact by not having a more plain words description of
>       the benefits of dark wallet. The video is beautiful, well
>       constructed, and moving. It does exactly what it was intended to
>       do. I was moved, I agree with it's message...I am also /already on
>       this mailing list. /

>       > /

>       > /

>       > The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a
>       battalion, much less an army. And my feeling is that if the
>       contributor list was public I would already be familiar with most
>       of the names on the list. People that are already, publicly,
>       aligned with the goals stated by this campaign. Dark Wallet and
>       the other ideals championed by this group are important and
>       necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it yet.
>       And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not
>       digestible to a large part of the community.

>       >

>       > Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out
>       certain classes. But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed
>       here.  

>       >

>       > I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying
>       I think there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an
>       additional, stripped down version of the message that focuses on
>       just the technical benefits of the platform as it is being
>       proposed. The benefits are obvious. They do not need political
>       overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to stand on their own
>       merits. 

>       >

>       > Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?

>       >

>       > Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet
>       implementations free of qt and bitcoind?

>       >

>       > Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers
>       working on Bitcoin?

>       >

>       > Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point
>       of failure?

>       >

>       > These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are
>       doing IS THE REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter
>       next to it saying, YO DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.

>       >

>       > I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the
>       campaign ends, you run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark
>       Wallet" that just explains all the benefits that Dark Wallet can
>       offer, in very plain terms. Just a clean, well put together,
>       article or video that explains the offering you are building.
>       Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection this
>       technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well
>       something like that will be received. 

>       >

>       > When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.

>       >

>       > And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are
>       interested in putting something like that together, I would be
>       privileged to help create it and promote it. And I think it will
>       probably shake a few more talented workers out of the woodwork.

>       >

>       > At the end of the day, do we want...

>       >

>       > To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect
>       everyone from their grasp?

>       >

>       > To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed
>       bump to dance with regulators, while we build the infrastructure
>       that makes the regulators and the foundation irrelevant? 

>       >

>       > To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it
>       better. 

>       >

>       >

>       > I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's
>       because I recognize that I have really done nothing to push this
>       forward so far, "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here,
>       it's hard to not see myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me
>       grammar indiscretions. I am in awe of you all.

>       >

>       > Thank you so much for what you do.

>       >

>       > Jason King

>       > Sean's Outpost

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       >

>       > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters
>       <tristan_winters@???
>       <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com>> wrote:

>       >

>       >     They are referring to this:
>       http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

>       >

>       >     The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.

>       >     But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they
>       became a “Gold Member” of the foundation.

>       >     And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that
>       way.

>       >

>       >     Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the
>       community. The crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.

>       >

>       >

>       >     On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki
>       <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:

>       >

>       >     > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that
>       does not fit the reality.

>       >     >

>       >     > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be
>       involved in development of

>       >     > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that
>       means not paying

>       >     > salaries to people who exert undue influence over
>       the protocol.

>       >     >

>       >     > if they choose to continue to be involved with
>       bitcoin development then

>       >     > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and
>       hive (which are now

>       >     > combining as one project pooling our efforts).

>       >     >

>       >     > if they want to be involved in development, then the
>       role should be in

>       >     > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen
>       be done and have no

>       >     > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick.
>       I've seen some cliquey

>       >     > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs.
>       multiple instances of

>       >     > top-down commands (evoking that power when not
>       neccessary) or shutting

>       >     > down debate over contentious issues.

>       >     >

>       >     > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I
>       was being unfairly

>       >     > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office
>       politics (being taken

>       >     > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to
>       intervene. they are paying

>       >     > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I
>       was working with was

>       >     > acting like a cunt.

>       >     >

>       >     > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force
>       for good working on

>       >     > bitcoin with pure motives.

>       >     >

>       >     > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this
>       yesterday:

>       >     >

>       >     >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation.
>       They wouldn't go on the

>       >     >> record to comment on the article but just kept
>       telling me "off the

>       >     >> record" that you lot have no credibility and
>       that a much better story is

>       >     >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m
>       in bitcoin...

>       >     >>

>       >     >

>       >     > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million.
>       what is it doing? i

>       >     > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the
>       resources, leigitimacy and

>       >     > attention but what have they done. they are lost in
>       the politics.

>       >     >

>       >     > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how
>       will this 9 million

>       >     > be used. the money from the community will go far,
>       be collectively

>       >     > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't
>       waste 9 million on

>       >     > lawyers giving to people part of the state
>       apparatus.

>       >     >

>       >     > why don't they go on record and back up their words?

>       >     >

>       >     > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important
>       issue in bitcoin to the

>       >     > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for
>       freedom and our

>       >     > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.

>       >     >

>       >     >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a
>       force for good.

>       >     >>

>       >     >> Another time and place you could work for the
>       propaganda ministry of some

>       >     >> Eastern Block country. :)

>       >     >>

>       >     >> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing
>       the rounds:

>       >     >>

>       >     >>
> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/

>       >     >>

>       >     >>

>       >     >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson
>       <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>       wrote:

>       >     >>

>       >     >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list
>       especially for the tremendous

>       >     >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received
>       yesterday. Within 24 hours we

>       >     >>> received just over 25k USD in combined
>       contributions. Share the video if

>       >     >>> you haven't already. It seems to be
>       popularizing the spirit of crypto.

>       >     >>> There is demand!

>       >     >>>

>       >     >>>

>       >     >>>

>       >     >>>

>       >     >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki
>       <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> Hi!