To The Crew,

I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's too
bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would love to
contribute more.
I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt you
will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.

But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of dark
wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It does
exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
message...I am also *already on this mailing list. *
*
*
The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion, much
less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was public I
would already be familiar with most of the names on the list. People that
are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this campaign. Dark
Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are important and
necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it yet. And the
marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible to a large part
of the community.

Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain classes.
But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.

I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think there
is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional, stripped
down version of the message that focuses on just the technical benefits of
the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are obvious. They do not
need political overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to stand on their
own merits.

Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?

Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations free
of qt and bitcoind?

Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working on
Bitcoin?

Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of failure?

These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying, YO
DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.

I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends, you
run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just explains all
the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain terms. Just a clean,
well put together, article or video that explains the offering you are
building. Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection this
technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well something
like that will be received.

When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.

And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in putting
something like that together, I would be privileged to help create it and
promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more talented workers
out of the woodwork.

At the end of the day, do we want...

To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone from
their grasp?

To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to dance
with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
regulators and the foundation irrelevant?

To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.


I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
"you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I am
in awe of you all.

Thank you so much for what you do.

Jason King
Sean's Outpost








On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters <tristan_winters@???
> wrote:

> They are referring to this: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>
> The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
> But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a “Gold
> Member” of the foundation.
> And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
>
> Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
>
>
> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>
> > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit the
> reality.
> >
> > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in development of
> > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not paying
> > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
> >
> > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin development then
> > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which are now
> > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
> >
> > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should be in
> > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and have no
> > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen some
> cliquey
> > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple instances of
> > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or shutting
> > down debate over contentious issues.
> >
> > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being unfairly
> > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics (being taken
> > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are paying
> > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working with was
> > acting like a cunt.
> >
> > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good working on
> > bitcoin with pure motives.
> >
> > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
> >
> >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on the
> >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off the
> >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better story is
> >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
> >>
> >
> > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it doing? i
> > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources, leigitimacy and
> > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
> >
> > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9 million
> > be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
> > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million on
> > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
> >
> > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
> >
> > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in bitcoin to the
> > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and our
> > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
> >
> >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a force for good.
> >>
> >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda ministry of
> some
> >> Eastern Block country. :)
> >>
> >> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing the rounds:
> >>
> >>
> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the tremendous
> >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within 24 hours
> we
> >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share the video
> if
> >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of crypto.
> >>> There is demand!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
> >>> > >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
> >>> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
> >>> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
> >>>
> >>> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us,
> ...
> >>>
> >>> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
> >>> present something to the people
> >>>
> >>> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
> >>> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
> >>> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
> >>> system.
> >>> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
> >>> together).
> >>> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
> >>> manipulated.
> >>> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
> >>> things.
> >>> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
> >>> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
> >>> that die.
> >>> * More simply:
> >>> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
> >>> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
> >>> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
> >>> * Bitcoin Foundation has a lot of money, all the legitimacy but they do
> >>> nothing. They are lost in the politics, but aren't thinking of serving
> >>> the people.
> >>> * We are here now working with the future in mind. These things take
> >>> time and are slow. Maybe 5 years from now all these crazy concepts
> >>> become reality.
> >>> ** Bitcoin is still young.
> >>> ** It's also about the internet.
> >>> ** Bitcoin is something new but immensely powerful.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - --
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>> Cody R. Wilson
> >>> codywilson@???
> >>>
> >>> The University of Texas School of Law
> >>> Class of 2014
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