On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 08:30:43AM -0300, altoid via Dng wrote:
> Hello:
>
> On 24 Jun 2025 at 13:00, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > ... we still need many of good Gnome's software ...
> Yes, I use the gnome-disk-utility which probably drags in other
> packages.
>
> > ... what Devuan could drop is the Gnome desktop ...
> Indeed ...
>
> I think that Devuan *should* permanently drop the Gnome desktop from
> the repositories.

There are many packages with "gnome" in their name and three of those
are in the collection of banned packages (for ceres/unstable). Other
packages apparently don't actually depend on systemd so will be
available. Afaik there are no forked "gnome" packages.

See https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/log/unstable-banned.svg for a
dependency diagram of banned packages in ceres/unstable, or
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/log/bannedpackages.txt for the full story
across all Devuan repositories.

As a reminder, Devuan repositories virtually include all corresponding
Debian repository packages except those that are banned by virtue of
declaring direct or indirect dependency on systemd. This means in
practice that the clients, aka your machine, downloads Debian packages
directly from Debian execpt for Devuan's forked packages which are
downloaded from Devuan's package tree.

There is no opinion based, selective include/exclude of Devuan
packages from Debian packages; only that those that declare dependency
on systemd (directly or indirectly) are unavailable. Opinion based
selective exclusion is rather achived on a client machine by means of
preference pinning.

Ralph.

> Given the limited manpower available, it does not make sense to keep
> sanitising a package with a permanently growing dependence on
> systemd.
>
> It is like 'sleeping with the enemy'.
>
> I only tried Gnome once, eons ago, in what may have been my first
> attempt to install Debian. It was on an Intel P200 laptop I had been
> gifted.
>
> It was rejection at first sight.
>
> Best,
>
> A.
>
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