On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 12:42:50AM +0100, Peter Duffy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks for confirming the problem - when the latest test install of
> daedalus was fine, I was beginning to think I'd done something silly :(
>
> I've had a look through the install logs on the laptop:
> /var/log/apt/history.log showed that zutty was included automatically.
> And like you, in the actual installation sequence in
> /var/log/apt/term.log, zutty was immediately followed by xfce4-
> terminal. So - factoring in what Ralph said about the last actual
> terminal package being the default for update-alternatives, that sounds
> like a convincing scenario. The main remaining mystery is why zutty was
> being pulled in automatically.
>
> I've just done "aptitude why zutty" on the laptop, and it gave the
> following:
>

> i   task-desktop Depends  xorg
> i A xorg         Depends  xterm | x-terminal-emulator
> i A zutty        Provides x-terminal-emulator        

>
> (Which seems to pose more questions than it answers . . . )

Yes, indeed. Such "alternative dependency" would typically be
satsified by pulling in xterm. Afaik apt doesn't bring in any package
merely by it being provider. In addition xfce4-terminal as well as
others also provide x-terminal-emulator and that would alphabetically
pop up as option before zutty. It remains a mystery! :)

Ralph.

>
>
> On Sat, 2025-04-19 at 00:00 +0100, Andrew Bower wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 09:46:30PM +0100, Peter Duffy wrote:
> > > I installed Debian Bookworm into a virtualbox VM, selecting xfce as
> > > the
> > > desktop (overriding the default, which was Gnome), and then ran
> > > "update-alternatives -config x-terminal-emulator". It was set to
> > > use
> > > /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper.  zutty wasn't installed. I tried
> > > installing it just to see if it worked, and if it automatically
> > > configured x-terminal-emulator to point to itself. It did work, and
> > > it
> > > didn't reconfigure x-terminal-emulator.
> > >
> > > So - based on that, it would seem that this is specific to devuan
> > > daedalus - at least at the time that I installed it earlier today.
> >
> > This isn't specific to Devuan Daedalus. I experienced exactly the
> > same
> > thing: zutty being installed unexpectedly along with XFCE4.
> >
> > But in my case it was Debian sid:
> >
> > 2023-10-27 19:43:28 install zutty:i386 <none> 0.14.6.20230701+dfsg1-2
> >
> > Interestingly, the very next package to be installed was:
> >
> > 2023-10-27 19:43:28 install xfce4-terminal:i386 <none> 1.1.1-1
> >
> > They both have priority 40.
> >
> > > I'm currently doing a new test install of daedalus into another
> > > virtualbox VM. At the moment, I'm thinking that this must have been
> > > a
> > > recent error, and maybe has been corrected upstream by now - and if
> > > so,
> > > maybe by now it's percolated into the devuan repos. (I think it
> > > would
> > > only be noticeable if someone installed daedalus onto old hardware,
> > > or
> > > if they noticed that the fonts looked a bit weird. I'm not sure - I
> > > haven't delved into what's actually behind the zutty error as yet.)
>
>
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