For Google Chrome use chromium or chromium_browser (I think it is the former on debian/devuan). It is the open source version of Chrome and thus has the same engine but some of the rubbish about Google Account, printer sharing (a Chromebook feature) and similar taken out. You won't miss them.



Major distros now want you to use a flatpak for complex, frequently updated software with lots of dependencies like Chromium. Luckily the normal package is still in devuan.



Kind regards,

Nick












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> 3. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (tempforever)
> 4. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (Adrian Zaugg)
> 5. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (peter@???)
> 6. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (Walter Dnes)
> 7. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (tito)
> 8. Re: Questions about migrating to Devuan (Steve Litt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:11:53 -0500
> From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes@???>
> To: Devuan List <dng@???>
> Subject: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <MTAwMDAwNi53ZG5lc2RheQ.1735359127@quikprotect>
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> I'm considering migrating to Devuan after years on Gentoo. Expect a
> weird mix of expert and newbie questions from me.
>
> 1) I'd prefer to keep using ICEWM window manager to take advantage of
> many years of "muscle memory". Is that possible?
>
> 2) I want some app to connect to my cellphone to download photos from it
> and upload music to it for playback. A simple "file-system" app will
> do, and I can upload/download with mc (Midnight commander).
>
> 3) My most-commonly-used-apps, in alphabetical order, follow. Are they
> available on Devuan? (Google-Chrome is not my "daily driver" but there
> seem to be some web sites that are "hardcoded" for it.)
>
> abiword
> dos2unix
> dosbox
> exiftool
> fetchmail
> gcc
> geeqie
> gimp
> gnumeric
> google-chrome
> hibernate-script
> imagemagick
> iptables
> mc
> mpg123
> mplayer
> mupdf
> mutt (with smtp capability via ssmtp)
> procmail
> qemu
> ssmtp
> vim
>
> 4) Any selections/tweaks required at install time to get those apps?
>
> 5) How many gigabytes of swap suggested for a 16-gigabyte ram machine
> with "hibernate-script"?
>
> --
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@???>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 17:11:21 +0000
> From: ael <adrian.lawrence@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <Z3AxOWF2ZLm-1gFJ@???>
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> On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 11:11:53PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I'm considering migrating to Devuan after years on Gentoo. Expect a
> > weird mix of expert and newbie questions from me.
> [..snip..]
>
> >
> > abiword
> > dos2unix
> > dosbox
>
> [..snip..]
>
> Until an expert answers, and since you presumably know what you are
> doing, why not download something like
> http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/testing/main/Contents-amd64.gz
> and zgrep around the file for those packages?
>
> Since devuan is based on debian, note that gimp is not currently in
> testing.
>
> See also https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages for upstream info.
>
> ael
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 12:36:22 -0500
> From: tempforever <dev1@???>
> To: Devuan List <dng@???>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <e279ca68-1f2e-ba07-8ad1-a918b1600822@???>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> It seems that most of those are available on current stable (daedalus)
>
> Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I'm considering migrating to Devuan after years on Gentoo. Expect a
> > weird mix of expert and newbie questions from me.
> >
> > 1) I'd prefer to keep using ICEWM window manager to take advantage of
> > many years of "muscle memory". Is that possible?
> icewm is at version 3.3.1-1.
> >
> > 2) I want some app to connect to my cellphone to download photos from it
> > and upload music to it for playback. A simple "file-system" app will
> > do, and I can upload/download with mc (Midnight commander).
> Is there a question here?? This should be possible.? I use gmtp for this
> task, the few times I do it.
> >
> > 3) My most-commonly-used-apps, in alphabetical order, follow. Are they
> > available on Devuan? (Google-Chrome is not my "daily driver" but there
> > seem to be some web sites that are "hardcoded" for it.)
> >
> abiword version 3.0.5~dfsg-3.2
> dos2unix version 7.4.3-1
>
> dosbox version 0.74-3-4+b1
>
> exiftool
> - this may have been replaced by libimage-exiftool-perl (?)
> exiftool does not show a version table; when I try to install it, it
> goes to libimage-exiftool-perl instead.? libimage-exiftool-perl is at
> version 12.57+dfsg-1
>
> fetchmail version 6.4.37-1
> gcc version 4:12.2.0-3
> geeqie version 1:2.0.1-8+b1
> gimp version 2.10.34-1+deb12u2
> gnumeric version 1.12.55-1
>
> google-chrome
> - unable to locate.
>
> hibernate-script
> - unable to locate.
>
> imagemagick version 8:6.9.11.60+dfsg-1.6+deb12u2
> iptables version 1.8.9-2
> mc version 3:4.8.29-2 (or 3:4.8.31-1~bpo12+1 in backports)
> mpg123 version 1.31.2-1+deb12u1
> mplayer version 2:1.5+svn38408-1
> mupdf version 1.21.1+ds2-1+b4
> mutt version 2.2.12-0.1~deb12u1 (with smtp capability via ssmtp) - don't
> know.
> procmail version 3.22-27
>
> qemu
> - no installable package named "qemu" but there are qemu-system,
> qemu-user, qemu-utils and others
>
> ssmtp version 2.64-11
> vim version 2:9.0.1378-2
> > 4) Any selections/tweaks required at install time to get those apps?
> google-chrome can be installed by adding its prepository to apt sources
> - I've done this on a different devuan machine.
> > 5) How many gigabytes of swap suggested for a 16-gigabyte ram machine
> > with "hibernate-script"?
> >
> idk anything about hibernate-script, it didn't show up in my apt
> search.? Generally, when hibernating, you'll want a swap file/partition
> at least the size of your installed ram.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 18:56:25 +0100
> From: Adrian Zaugg <devuan.org@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <173544451.70PxRjiuaa@haiash>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> In der Nachricht vom Saturday, 28 December 2024 05:11:53 CET schrieb Walter
> Dnes:
> > 4) Any selections/tweaks required at install time to get those apps?
> No. Just install them afterwards.
>
> > 5) How many gigabytes of swap suggested for a 16-gigabyte ram machine
> > with "hibernate-script"?
> At least the amount of RAM you have. You can expect this to be the same than
> on Gentoo.
>
> Regards, Adrian.
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> Message: 5
> Date: 28 Dec 2024 10:41:21 -0700
> From: peter@???
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <mailman.25066.1735419928.16189.dng@???>
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> On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 11:11:53PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I'm considering migrating to Devuan after years on Gentoo.
>
> Beginning about 2000, I used Debian. Now configuring Void and
> contemplating Gentoo.
>
> What are the principal aspects against Gentoo for you? Ongoing
> requirements of maintenance time?
>
> Thanks, ... P.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 13:43:46 -0500
> From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes@???>
> To: ael via Dng <dng@???>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <MTAwMDAwMC53ZG5lc2RheQ.1735411440@quikprotect>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 05:11:21PM +0000, ael via Dng wrote
>
> > Until an expert answers, and since you presumably know what you are
> > doing, why not download something like
> > http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/testing/main/Contents-amd64.gz
> > and zgrep around the file for those packages?
>
> Thank you very much for the pointers.
>
> * icewm is present, which is nice
> * No google-chrome, but I do see chromium
> * No hibernate-script, but I do see
> "usr/lib/ConsoleKit/scripts/ck-system-hibernate". Is that similar?
>
> In a worst-case-scenario... IANAP (I Am Not A Programmer), but I can
> download source code, and "./configure <with parameters>", and "make"
> and "make install".
>
> --
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@???>
> There are 2 types of people in this world
> 1) Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 20:21:50 +0100
> From: tito <farmatito@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <20241228202150.770729cc@devuan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 13:43:46 -0500
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@???> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 05:11:21PM +0000, ael via Dng wrote
> >
> > > Until an expert answers, and since you presumably know what you are
> > > doing, why not download something like
> > > http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/testing/main/Contents-amd64.gz
> > > and zgrep around the file for those packages?
> >
> > Thank you very much for the pointers.
> >
> > * icewm is present, which is nice
> > * No google-chrome, but I do see chromium
> > * No hibernate-script, but I do see
> > "usr/lib/ConsoleKit/scripts/ck-system-hibernate". Is that similar?
> >
> > In a worst-case-scenario... IANAP (I Am Not A Programmer), but I can
> > download source code, and "./configure <with parameters>", and "make"
> > and "make install".
> >
>
> I would suggest using checkinstall in this case :
>
> checkinstall ? Track installation of local software, and produce a binary manageable with your package management software.
>
>
> Ciao,
> Tito
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 16:05:20 -0500
> From: Steve Litt <slitt@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Questions about migrating to Devuan
> Message-ID: <20241228160520.68024b94@???>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Walter Dnes said on Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:11:53 -0500
>
> > I'm considering migrating to Devuan after years on Gentoo. Expect a
> >weird mix of expert and newbie questions from me.
> >
> >1) I'd prefer to keep using ICEWM window manager to take advantage of
> >many years of "muscle memory". Is that possible?
>
> [snip]
>
> >abiword
> >dos2unix
> >dosbox
> >exiftool
> >fetchmail
> >gcc
> >geeqie
> >gimp
> >gnumeric
> >google-chrome
> >hibernate-script
> >imagemagick
> >iptables
> >mc
> >mpg123
> >mplayer
> >mupdf
> >mutt (with smtp capability via ssmtp)
> >procmail
> >qemu
> >ssmtp
> >vim
>
> What you really need to do is install Devuan on a virtual machine, and
> use the apt system to find out. That's what I'd need to do to answer
> your question, and by doing so you'll really get a feel for Devuan.
>
> By the way, I suggest you add Inkscape and Bluefish to your list of
> everyday applications. And because the user menu sucks so bad for
> IceWM, I suggest you add in Suckless Tools' dmenu as another program
> runner.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
> http://444domains.com
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