On Dec 25, 2024, nick wrote:
> [...]
> In other areas I haven't fared well, I did try hwclock command but
> this did not work for me. Strange. I think the best option remaining
> may be to set it in bios as another commenter suggested. I tried to
> avoid this for as long as possible as it feels wrong, I never had this
> issue with another distro. Although I think a large part of my issue
> is not with devuan as such but my insistence on running cinnamon as my
> primary UI.

Why does setting the hardware RTC via BIOS "feel wrong"? I must've
missed where you explained that in the past ...

> I noticed a lot of other rough edges since then which I will not go
> into in detail because it looks to me as if trying to solve each issue
> individually is a lost cause. Rather what I should do is test LMDE
> (Linux Mint Debian Edition) to see if it does what I want i.e. is it
> as good as the default LM Ubuntu version. Then I need to migrate that
> experience over to devuan and report on the list how I did it.

It's not bad, but it's not "as good as(tm)" the Ubuntu edition is. Gets
better every release, but then again, so does the ubuntu-based version.
2026 or 2028 will likely be the release year where things might change a
bit, depending on how hard Canonical keeps pushing snaps.

Not really sure how well one would be able to use Devuan-base for LM,
given that (as I recall anyway), a decent number of their tooling relies
heavily on systemd (or it did, but I haven't kept up with the devteam as
closely as I used to)


>[...]
> There might be easier workarounds though. As LM team are doing
> something like devuan is already but forking Ubuntu instead of debian.
> So if they have a repo consisting of only their packages that then
> falls back to the official repo that would be most of the job done,
> but I don't think they have that -- they might have such a thing for
> internal dev use, I am not sure. I plan to ask LM team a similar
> question to get links to their procedures but I hesitate in how to
> phrase it because anyone bringing up systemd issue or init freedom
> gets flamed badly. Sigh.

They (LM) use ubuntu (or Debian, depending on the version) for the main
set of repos, with the exception of stuff they develop on their own,
which has higher priority to APT.


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