Hello Rob, thank you for considering my other perspective...When I say a
cry for help, it specifically refers to people in the south (and or Mocoa
where I am specifically) needing help with internet security and also more
people / funding to support the environment issues in the South (example;
against this mega mine for "clean transition") . Also having more living
Europeans here serves to protect the local activists, such as is the
example of Zapatistas in Chiapas where there is a constant flux of European
activists that are present only as "observers" (which avoids people getting
killed). Westerns working down here can also create more international
awareness (as they are connected to network in the north) and bridges ,
bring PR / communication / promotion ideas and take a lot more risks with
what they do in the south because they don't actually live here....
If you are envisioning post oil as a democratically orchestrated move away
from fossil fuels and into "the clean transition" with billions of solar
panels and wind turbines adorning our planet, this big copper mine that is
about to destroy a watershed of the amazon has everything to do with this
particular post oil scenario.....But perhaps when you speak of post oil
you are referring to post civilisational collapse? Or perhaps both post
options...?

Wishing you a fine day.
Vanessa

El jue, 14 nov 2024 a las 11:30, Rob van Kranenburg (<kranenbu@???>)
escribió:

> Hallo Vanessa,
>
> This for sure means something and it gives a lot of food for thought. I
> indeed have to think about this, as it is like you say ‘another
> perspective’ and one I know very little about.
> I am also hoping to get a response from others on the list.
> When you say a cry for help would that also be more communication and
> awareness?
>
> Big hug, Rob
>
>
> On 14 Nov 2024, at 14:54, Vanessa Gocksch <vanessa@???> wrote:
>
> Hello to all bricolabers....
>
> The way things are today I cannot imagine post oil. The way things are
> going, it seems that every last drop of oil will be sucked from the ground
> by the power hungry. There is no comparably versatil energy source as oil
> today and too many power-mongering misers wanting to control the
> world...Yes it would be nice to stay connected after post oil if there is
> still anyone around, but is it not more important at this moment to invest
> energy in trying to slow down this maddening race to destroy our planet?
>
> Perhaps my perspective and priorities are different from yours here where
> I am , I would like to share them with you. I am now here in the Amazon of
> Colombia, in Mocoa, on the foothills of the Andes, where it drops into the
> amazon, technically because of flora, fauna and soil and watershed, it is
> considered tha Amazon. This region is probably one of the most bio diverse
> in the world. A few years ago a pair of biologists came here and discovered
> above 50 new butterfly species in a few months for example...There is
> water everywhere and it flows to the amazon jungle, all the rivers here are
> afluents of the amazon. This is also one of the capitals of sacred
> ayahuasca culture, although much more preserved and unknown then those in
> Peru.
>
> Forty kilometers down the mountain from Mocoa there are several oil fields
> that have been functioning for various decades and which have already
> contaminated the water for miles around. Curiously during the pandemic
> (when Colombia went on shut down), these continued to funcion 24/7. They
> have 2 helicopters but when the severely injured or ill people from the
> nearby towns need urgent care they must travel by ambulance to the closest
> hospital for 5 or more hours , 3 hours of which is a very difficult dirt
> road.
>
> And now 15 kilometers up the mountain from Mocoa, a Canadian exploration
> mining company called Liberty copper (Libero cobre) is wanting to extract
> copper from the mountain in order to " bring on the clean energy
> transition" (their slogan translated from spanish). I don't think I have to
> explain to you how this huge mine will destroy this region.
>
> So here we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
>
> The handful of activists here that are fighting this Canadian mine in
> Mocoa have 0 financement and absolutely no idea of internet security and
> are doing it in a country where 181 activists were murdered only in 2023.
>
> I am no academic, in fact I never graduated from a university. However ,
> life has been my university and by living amongst indigenous people I have
> learned a lot....Perhaps the biggest lesson was that there was no time to
> waste on futile activities that only consumed energy but brought no
> concrete outcome. By living with the Kogi who do not depend on fossil fuel
> (they only sometimes use chainsaws) I witnessed first hand for many years
> what it means to live with iron age technology. Efficiency is of the
> essence.
>
> I understand that you do not imagine post oil to be the iron age, but I
> think that not wasting any sort of energy will become much more important
> in this post oil anthropocene scenario (if it is to exist)....
> And perhaps not wasting energy at this moment is also important and it
> means that we place all of our capacities at the service of saving our
> environment which sustains us and all of the beautiful creatures of this
> world.
>
> Well I hope this email means something to you, it is an invitation to
> think about things from another perspective and also a cry for help from
> one of the many regions that is not so connected and much forgotten but
> very important to the health of the Amazon forest.
>
> Have beautiful days, Vanessa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 at 7:11 AM Maira <ce0064@???> wrote:
>
>> cool
>>
>> i'm waiting for it ;)
>>
>> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2024 às 08:22, Rob van Kranenburg <
>> kranenbu@???> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi Maira,
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> I am preparing a small draft this weekend and will send that to you this
>>> weekend,
>>>
>>> Greetings, Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2024, at 12:06, Maira <ce0064@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want.
>>> Tell me how
>>>
>>> xx
>>>
>>> Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2024 às 06:38, Rob van Kranenburg <
>>> kranenbu@???> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Eh meaning who wants to join?
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2024, at 10:34, Rob van Kranenburg <kranenbu@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Goedemorgen,
>>>>
>>>> Remote or in AMS?
>>>>
>>>> System design for establishing The Internet of People in a
>>>> post-oil-world
>>>> <https://thingscon.org/th-ngs-2024/program/system-design-for-establishing-the-internet-of-people-in-a-post-oil-world/>
>>>> thingscon.org
>>>> <https://thingscon.org/th-ngs-2024/program/system-design-for-establishing-the-internet-of-people-in-a-post-oil-world/>
>>>> <cropped-thingscon_roundtwitter-180x180.jpg>
>>>> <https://thingscon.org/th-ngs-2024/program/system-design-for-establishing-the-internet-of-people-in-a-post-oil-world/>
>>>> <https://thingscon.org/th-ngs-2024/program/system-design-for-establishing-the-internet-of-people-in-a-post-oil-world/>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings, Rob
>>>>
>>>>
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