Hi Felipe,

I fully agree we need cold spots and hot spots in urban spaces (https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-030-15145-4_56-1)
Why not try this with some buses, I think we could even try with the assistance on transport and city considering the way getting off their phones is now taken very seriously.
Would anyone know of a city that could be approached?
I don’t think they would get to their cars as most are too young and a lot of people do not have one (like me, I don’t even have a license),

Greetings, Rob


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> On 11 Sep 2024, at 21:57, Felipe Schmidt Fonseca <felipefonseca@???> wrote:
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> Lots of feelings from reading these messages, and just a single side speculative note here: what if every piece of public transport was a faraday cage blocking access to 4G/5G networks? Would that be a socially regenerative strategy or just make people seek individual transport?
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> On 11/09/2024 10:50, Rob van Kranenburg wrote:
>> Hi Sharat,
>>
>> Yes, we are in the full fire of it all, states dying and fighting back with fines, and way to much cash with GAFAM - worth seven trillion now - so they can buy anything they want coupled with Ayn Rand characters like Musk. Quite a novel if you come to think of it, but real instead.
>> Singularity, yes I think and thought when I heard of it first what a sham and trap that was/is. Decoupling life from any technological advances and curing this and that within a decade.
>> The fire is all consuming and sucking air out of critique (any form of potential critique is now voiced as ‘ethics), and we must be clear also that this IoT/AI connectivity will not be killed or stalled.
>> This morning I took a bus and 9 out of ten people were either looking on their phone or holding it in their hands. The other 10% was sleeping.
>> I don;t think we should say things like: get off your phone. Instead we could have our own phone. We looked into this in 2007
>> https://nlnet.nl/project/bricophone/
>> On that phone we could install our ideas of what connectivity could/should look like ( it could explode if you look at it for too long :),
>>
>> I set up a Zoom for September 22 16:00 CET.
>>
>> I think Venzha can join then and people from the States, if not, let me know and I adjust,
>>
>> Greetings, Rob
>>
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>>> On 10 Sep 2024, at 23:31, Sharath Chandra Ram <looplogic@???> <mailto:looplogic@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Great to hear from you Rob, and for echoing Venzah's thoughts who I have been in touch with (albeit not having visited in a while).
>>>
>>> Having divorced myself from disciplinary pursuits about 15 years ago, I continue to straddle between the art of audition and the politics of transmission.
>>>
>>> However despite all the push towards transdisciplinary meaning making, it is disappointing to note that technological determinism has become even more stronger this decade.
>>> Not only that, but a lot of my extremely talented friends in the arts seem to be giving in to the Singularity movement.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, looking forward to connecting with everyone on Zoom !
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Sharath
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 1:46 PM Rob van Kranenburg <kranenbu@??? <mailto:kranenbu@xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>> Hi James,
>>>>
>>>> "Entertainment, in the form of the arts, builds meaning. And whoever builds meaning builds the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is crucial to understand just how significant imagination is as a precursor to change."
>>>>
>>>> Crucial yes.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is a good idea if we set up a Zoom for in the coming weeks where everyone can join if they want,
>>>>
>>>> Greetings, Rob
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>>>>> On 10 Sep 2024, at 13:02, James Wallbank <james@??? <mailto:james@lowtech.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is definitely of interest, Rob!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we may be approaching a point of unique opportunity. Forgive me if this observation veers towards the abstract.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that political and economic power has become incredibly backward-looking. Despite their investment in futuristic technology, currently tech billionaires (and fossil fuel billionaires) seem, increasingly, to manufacture support for their activities by appealing to nostalgia, revanchism, reactionary ideas, divisiveness and disconnection. Artificial Intelligence will only accelerate this tendency,
>>>>>
>>>>> This tactic may be as depressing as it is effective, but it leaves the field open for a new type of participatory futurism, in which citizens imagine, experiment with, and participate in practices that reflect imaginative futuristic visions, We need to do it, because they won't. We will regain the cultural initiative, because their power rests upon reactionary, backward-looking structures and ideas, that Rob describes as "Operating like Feudal Lords".
>>>>>
>>>>> As well as active "refusenik" practices (we periodically see waves of people abandoning social media, for example) we also need to encourage, support and platform new citizen-led visions of the future. I suspect, at the core of this, is the activity of making your own value―not simply providing yourself with necessary goods and services (cooking your own food, generating your own power, building your own computer) but also building entertainment yourself, rather than receiving it from corporate writers rooms via corporate pipes. Entertainment, in the form of the arts, builds meaning. And whoever builds meaning builds the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is crucial to understand just how significant imagination is as a precursor to change.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:32 PM Rob van Kranenburg <kranenbu@??? <mailto:kranenbu@xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are all a lot wiser and not in a bad shape it seems.I too agree about picking your fights. For me it was the realisation that there were too many drivers cheering for the Internet of Things, so no point in fighting it but becoming part of it. So in 25 years I have become an industry expert:
>>>>>> https://onem2m.org/membership/executive-viewpoints/927-rob-van-kranenburg-au24
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have recently written a text that spans that 25 years and that offer some solutions, I hope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is time to revive resources on the bricolist and see what we have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have expertise in EU funding programs and know how to do proposals. We all have extensive networks and can help people to introductions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a great talk today with Venzha and we both agreed it was a good idea to see who is doing what and how people are seeing the present and future,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings, Rob
>>>>>>
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