Hi Thomas,
Thanks a lot for this. We are working on a proposal for emergency management/resilience and this is a very interesting protocol. Icc your text to the bricolist where the unphone Lin k came from,
Greetings, Rob
> On 11 Sep 2024, at 15:51, Thomas Amberg <tamberg@???> wrote:
>
> Hi Tomaž, Rob and all,
>
> thanks for the great links.
>
> Another, LoRa mesh based messenger:
> https://github.com/antirez/freakwan
> (by @antirez, the autor of Redis)
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
>
>> On 11 Sep 2024, at 14:59, Tomaž Vidonja <tomaz@???> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Rob,
>> True.
>> Yet … time is fully relevant, when it comes to people who bring ideas to life. 😉
>> Cheers,
>> Tomaž.
>> Tomaž Vidonja
>> Direktor
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>> <image002.png> From: Rob van Kranenburg <kranenbu@???>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:37 PM
>> To: Tomaž Vidonja <tomaz@???>
>> Cc: Internet of Things Council <iot@???>
>> Subject: Re: [Iot] Bricophone (2007)
>> Hi Tomaz,
>> Yes, it followed another path.
>> I just learned of the unphone:
>> <image003.jpg>unPhone yourself!
>> unphone.net
>> Hamish Cunningham, the person behind this also says:
>> "One hopeful thing in the context of the new AI is that since Facebook decided it was losing the LLM race with M$ and Google and opened up LLAMA, the open source AI community has begun producing models that perform at similar levels to ChatGPT. Although it is still prohibitively expensive to build the foundation model that these are based on, for end user applications they can run on hardware that's a fraction of the price of the corporate cloud (e.g. a €1.5k GPU can both infer that "I'm hot" means turn the heating down and do a decent job of spouting general knowledge on a multitude of subjects). I think the era of DIY AI is now upon us :)"
>> So the aim is now to upgrade the unphone with open source AI, sort of your Bonsai idea. Time is fully irrelevant when it comes to ideas :)
>> Greetings, Rob
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>> On 11 Sep 2024, at 14:11, Tomaž Vidonja <tomaz@???> wrote:
>> Hi, Rob,
>> interesting question. I was not aware of Bricophone. Shame on me.
>> What brings up first question … what did happen to Bricophone? The web site is not accessible anymore. http://www.bricophone.org/
>> What was the impact of the project? I assume despite its limited features and scope, since 2007 there have been some benefits, haven't they.
>> Today or for the future … an idea:
>> BonsAI – the community-oriented AI infrastructure.
>> The BonsAI is a community-oriented AI infrastructure in Open Source. It is a low cost, low energy, open source project based on open hardware built for communities primarily of non-tech people. The characteristic of the BonsAI infrastructure is that it does not require any dedicated HW (CPU/GPU) but instead takes advantage of the distributed, open/shared CPU/GPU and data storage resources. This provides the opportunity for special and dedicated uses of the AI in poor communities, small companies, high school environments, cultural institutions, etc. I'm not sure if makes any sense at all in the first place, but hey, it took me 5 mins to update the original idea from 2007. 😉
>> Cheers,
>> Tomaž.
>> Tomaž Vidonja
>> Direktor
>> T: +386 40 272 118
>> E: tomaz@???
>> <image001.png>
>>
>> ELVI d.o.o.
>> Mucherjeva ulica 3, SI-1000 Ljubljana
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>> <image002.png>
>> From: IoT <iot-bounces@???> On Behalf Of Rob van Kranenburg
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 11:16 AM
>> To: Internet of Things Council <iot@???>
>> Subject: [Iot] Bricophone (2007)
>> Hi all,
>> Just wondering what this idea from 2007 could look like today?
>> Bricophone
>> community-oriented mobile phone infrastructure
>> The Bricophone is a community-oriented mobile phone infrastructure in Open Source. It is a low cost, low energy, open hardware, open source project built for communities up to ten thousand people within regional distances. The characteristic of the Bricophone infrastructure is that it does not require any static infrastructure like relays, antennas, or digital data centers. This provides the opportunity for special uses in poor communities, mass rescueing in disastered areas, and cultural and social activities like festivals and other mass events.
>> NLnet; Bricophone
>> nlnet.nl <image003.png>
>> Greetings, Rob
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