On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 5:24 PM Tom via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

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> > On 7 Aug 2024, at 00:37, Didier Kryn <kryn@???> wrote:
> >     After looking (in diagonal) at the rest of the thread, seems that
> Python also sucks!

> >

> > --     Didier

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> The main problem with python that causes trouble for everyone is python
> packaging. Long ago, Guido van Rossum declared that packaging was not a
> concern of the core python team and would be left for others to work on.
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> This has lead to python packaging being a complete mess that doesn’t
> integrate well with the rest of the language and needing “features” like
> virtual environments that don’t exist for other programming languages.
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> This is what causes the need for things like PEP 668 to stop users
> stomping on the system python environment and breaking things.
> Unfortunately this won’t change as long as the core python team refuses to
> take ownership of python packaging.
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It has been one incredible odyssey getting what should have been at least
somewhat straightforward up and ready.

Any suggestions on how to approach getting python packaging improved?

(Given my experience - - - goofy stuff where I needed to add a number of
libblah-dev versions something needs to be done - - what can I do to help
the change?)

Regards