On 2024-06-18 02:27, Peter Duffy wrote:
> Just to be clear . . .

OK, thank you. I'm clear about what you said now, and I couldn't agree more.

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>
> The thing which permanently set me against systemd was that when I
> first tried it (testing RH7), the box wouldn't shut down. It just gave
> a message about "asserting shutdown state" or some such pompous
> baloney, and then hung. I had to hold down the power button. When the
> system came back up, it complained about ungraceful shutdown and ran a
> full set of disk checks. Maybe not so bad if the box is on my desk.
> Rather more of a problem if it's a mission-critical server in an
> unmanned server farm, I'm trying to sort out a major problem on it, and
> it's 03:00 in the morning. (Strangely enough, I noticed on one of the
> FB linux groups only a few days ago that someone else had just had the
> shutdown hang problem.)

This was my first experience with systemd too. I never used it again. I
know maybe it's improved. I don't have time to be a BETA or ALPHA
tester. Besides, it's my customers money. I'm not testing jack shit on them.

I find it very interesting that this occurs so frequently and it's a
total show stopper - this non-deterministic behaviour.