Steve, Others,
I enjoy following the systemd discussions.

Thanks for the link to a very informative page (http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm)

With windows 11 coming out with it's 'recall' AI how long will it take before linux has that by systemd?

Maybe 5-10 years only access to anything online may require 'recall' enabled on a computer to access anything web related?

Freedom of choice is more important than ever.

I'm still working through your experiment page so please forgive if this is addressed in it.

Q. Can this 'experiment' be replicated on today's linux OS's as systemd is imbedded more now than ever?

73
Charles

On Saturday, May 25th, 2024 at 2:56 PM, Steve Litt <slitt@???> wrote:

> Joel Roth via Dng said on Thu, 23 May 2024 09:10:31 -1000
>
> > Is this history otherwise relevant?
>
>
> Maybe, maybe not. I don't find this guy believable, because of his
> past history.
>
> > I'm asking because it
> > seems like a fairly thorough, readable account.
>
>
> I'd call it too thorough, and lacking readability because it's too
> thorough. Also, it comes across to me as one man's viewpoint. And once
> again, still, in 2024, he's evangelizing some of systemd's "features".
>
> Joel, in my last email I blamed the messenger (you), and didn't mean
> to. I meant to blame Mr. Uselessd.
>
> His history minimizes the fact that in 2001 we could have used
> sysvinit's PID1 plus djb's daemontools, to parallel instantiate and
> realtime control daemons. Today he minimizes the fact that almost
> anything worthwhile that systemd gives you s6 also gives you (though in
> a more intelligent manner).
>
> For those of you not familiar with this stuff, in the second half of
> 2014, when the phony balony kangaroo court "DD ER" de-facto declared
> systemd to be the one and only Debian init system, all of us with any
> sense of sane architecture panicked. And two guys, Mr. Uselessd and Mr.
> Nosh, took it upon themselves to build "less all-subsuming" (my words,
> not theirs) knockoffs of systemd, and for awhile a lot of us, myself
> included, put our hopes on them instead of rallying around existing
> OpenRC, runit, s6, or even djb's daemontools, which is the father of
> runit, s6, and several less used supervisors.
>
> By the way, if you'd like to see a more contemporaneous, technical,
> political and tutorial and less professorial historical account of the
> systemd assault, see my Manjaro Experiments page at
> http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm . Also,
> take a look at the archives from the Modular-Debian list, our safe
> harbour after the GR but before Devuan. And please note that Joel Roth
> was the person who provided Modular-Debian for our community.
>
> SteveT
>
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