Hello:

On 29 Dec 2023 at 11:14, Steve Litt wrote:

> altoid via Dng said on Fri, 29 Dec 2023 07:24:02 -0300

>> ... behind making systemd the "de-facto" init ...
> Litt's Razor ...

I learned the 'follow the money' approach at a young age and at great
expense, eventually understanding that it is nothing but an important
part of basic human nature.

> ... started this whole thing dissing Linux ...
I have come to believe that LP was tapped by MS and on board with
them from very early on, years before systemd was announced.

Remember that MS has always played the 'long game'.
Examples abound.

> ... more like a metastisizing cancer.
Yes, there was rather a lot of nit-picking at ElReg about the
definition: cancer, virus, bacteria ...

Incredibly side-stepping the fact that it was both uncurable and
mortal for the Linux ecosystem no matter what it was called or how it
was described.

> > ... what better choice than Debian?
> Devuan!
Sorry, I was not clear.

I meant that, for MS, taking down Debian via systemd was the best
choice of action as it is arguably the base upon most if not the
whole FOSS Linux ecosystem stands.

It really isn't about Debian wanting to kill Devuan, it is about
Debian being infiltrated and taken over.

Devuan (and derivatives) demise is just collateral damage, so to
speak.

Once Debian is infiltrated/absorbed by MS, the whole Linux ecosystem
will be doomed, something that, incredibly enough, does *not* seem to
be in anyone's radar.

Save, quite obviously, the likes of MS / IBM / RH.

> ... possible that Devuan will outlast windows.
When Debian is taken over/suffocated out of existence, there will be
no left Devuan to speak of.

> ... don't understand ...

Let's see if I can clarify my point of view:

While all this is happening "in-and-around" us, within the
non-systemd Linux communities there is an absolute lack of agency on
how to solve what is *now* the most important problem at hand:

----> Debian dropping sysvinit support. <----

Every/anyone who can say *something* jockeys for their favourite init
software option without understanding that what Devuan needs *now* is
not a *choice* but to survive the lack of sysvinit support.

Not to mention all this fuss about the /usr merge which is nothing
but a distraction. ie: for the "peanut gallery".

Like I have said before, this */usr merge* thing is nothing but
a smoke and mirrors act to distract Devuan from the very real menace
posed by systemd and its second stage, the dropping of support for
sysvinit.

Not being a dev or a coder, I am still rather at odds with the /usr
merge idea but I can work with it being so (ie: I don't care one way
or another), as long as the distribution I am using is both
consistent through installs/updates/upgrades *and* works properly/as
expected.

To rid the Devuan collective of said distraction a decision *has* to
be made and a course to follow set.

ASAP.

My take is that Devuan should (once and for all) just accept that the
/usr merge thing is a fact of life and get on with seeing about the
most important issue in front of it:

Its survival as a "Debian dependent" Linux distribution.

Please note that I am not against *choice*, by any means.

What I am (ab-so-lute-ly) against is, at *this* moment in time and
with the bullets whizzing past our collective Devuan heads, having
discussions about *choice*.

It is like having a discussion about what the orchestra on the deck
of the Titanic should be playing ...

While it is sinking.

A Happy New Year to you.

Best,

A.