Autore: Svante Signell Data: To: devuan developers internal list, Klaus Ethgen, Mark Hindley Oggetto: Re: [devuan-dev] bug#810: bug#810: Moved to /usr but all configs
expect it in /sbin
Reposting (not to bug #810 any longer).
Comments please!
Thanks!
On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 20:17 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 19:52 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Am Di den 28. Nov 2023 um 16:22 schrieb Mark Hindley:
> > > As Lorenzo has pointed out, this is a result of Debian's
> > > implementation of merged-usr.
> > >
>
> From what I understand most upstreams and Guix has no problems with
> merged /usr. It is an isolated Debian issue, right?
>
> > > Although this has been coming for a while, the impasse with the
> > > dpkg maintainer meant that Devuan was able to avoid enforcing
> > > merged-usr for the Daedalus release. However, Debian has now
> > > circumvented the dpkg maintainer and there is little more Devuan
> > > can do to resist.
> > [...]
> > > Believe me that I think this Debian exercise is a waste of time,
> > > driven by systemd dogma. However, for Devaun to attempt to fork
> > > every Debian package would just waste even more time. I do not
> > > believe this to be worthwhile.
> >
>
> It seems to be around 40 packages according to Lorenzo, not too many.
> I
> volunteer to adopt 5-10 of them. Just let me know.
>
> > Yes, that is a disaster... My hope was, that at least Devuan is
> > able
> > to mitigate it and keeping up the good quality that Debian was
> > before
> > systemd.
> >
> > However, I also see that there seems to be only few persons behind
> > to
> > do the work.
>
> Count me in! If we won't resist Debian brainless mergerd /usr, I'll
> have no motivation to create a Devuan Port of GNU/Hurd.
> >
> > It might be needed to fork the distribution completely. Well, at
> > least with the main packages. There could still be some
> > compatibility
> > left for contrib and non-free. I mean, debian was small too in the
> > past. Why not start from scratch? (You even don't need to start
> > without anything) Maybe it is time for a cut.
> >
>
> Yes, please!
>
> > I try to fix packages myself as I did for openssh[0], pcre2[1] and
> > since today pcsc-lite[2]. And I have now a massive ansible role to
> > fix all the debian bugs as well as nagios check for broken
> > libraries
> > that should bein /lib.
> >
> > > I believe you have two options (I fear you will find neither
> > > palatable, for which I apologise):-
> > >
> > > - Install Daedalus and do not upgrade beyond that.
> > >
> > > - Install the usrmerge package.
> >
> > The last one will never be an option for me! Before that I would
> > destroy all my computers first or migrate to windows! (What, if you
> > know me, I would never do.)
> >
> > The first would be a solution only up to when the support for that
> > distribution ends.
>
> I recently moverd all my desktops and laptops to Devuan/Daedalus, and
> would prefer to continue with Devuan!
>
> Otherwise, I would switch to Guix if Devuan no longer is an
> alternative. Never again adopt Debian/RedHat madness!
>
> Thanks!
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