On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:27:03 -0300
altoid via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> Hello:
>
> On 29 Nov 2023 at 12:43, al3xu5 via Dng wrote:
>
> > ... safest route clearly seems to me to lead to runit ...
> I really cannot say, no idea so I cannot opine on that.
>
> What I *can* say (and have absolutely *no* doubts about it) is that
> if things continue as they are now, Devuan is headed straight for the
> "once relatively successful distribution" chapter of Linux history.
>
> > ... also because that there could be more people here capable ...
>
> From where I am standing, my take is that *anyone* with a
> basic/medium/advanced understanding of how init software works is
> capable of contributing to a solution of the problem Devuan and
> derivatives are facing these days.
>
> ---> ie: their impending demise.
>
> The question seems to be (oh, surprise!) *which* solution?
> sysvinit? runit? openrc? upstart? s6?
>
> That is where the whole thing starts to get contentious and murky.
> Everyone has an opinion and wants to enforce it.
>
> The image of a patient on the operating table, chest open wide with
> an unexpected ruptured aorta and the DH surgeons arguing about how to
> stop the bleeding comes to mind.
>
> But it is *not* a Benny Hill sketch.
> And it is pathetic.
>
> As things stand today, Devuan urgently needs to be able to dodge the
> hail of bullets Debian+systemd zealots have coming for it.
>
> There is NO time to start thinking about anything BUT that.
>
> So, lets take the most mature/most used init software at this moment
> and make sure we can *still* use it, no matter *what* the Debian
> Poetterheads do with their support for it or the infamous /usr merge.
>
> Once we can *guarantee* Devuan's survival, then we can see about
> moving on (or not) to other init software *options*.
>
> Anything else is needless chatter.
>
> Best,
>
> S.

I fully agree, let's stick with sysvinit until things are sorted out
and stabilized, later on other init systems could be added
if devuan is still alive.

Ciao,
Tito