On 2023-11-11 04:59:57, Boian Bonev via Dng wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, 2023-11-10 at 10:55 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > David L. Craig via Dng - 10.11.23, 10:41:22 CET:
> > > > > Probably not able to hot plug RAM, but still a desktop that would be
> > > > > interesting. The Talos II Secure Workstation:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html
> > > > >
> > > > > However the price tag is interesting, too. Even for the cheaper
> > > > > BlackBird Secure Desktop.
> > > >
> > > > My bank account isn't THAT super.  lol
> > >
> > > Indeed.  The power consumption is also super, with most
> > > configurations requiring three-phase circuits.
> >
> > I do not except a IBM z16 mainframe to draw less power than above Talos
> > Secure Workstation, even if the latter would be equipped with two of those
> > crazy 22 core Power9 v2 CPUs.
>
> The Talos is under 500W, while z16 comes in a couple of full height rack setups
> that can easily exceed 50kW a couple of times...
>
> Let's also clarify that pSeries are ppc64le, while z16, also known as zSeries
> is s390x... Devuan supports ppc64le but not the s390x.

Well if someone would donate to me a z16, and a room to run it in, plus
the power / Internet to run it, and a bed plus kitchen in that room, I'll
make sure Devuan supports s390x. B-)

>
> > However it when it comes to performance per watt… would be interesting how
> > these systems compare with a typical x86 PC and also a typical x86 laptop.
>
> They are incomparable - x86 is kind of a joke in terms of performance.
>
> I have an old and small Power8 server that easily outperforms modern Xeon
> Golds... Used price is very decent, but unlike the Talos it is definitely not a
> good idea to keep at home, because of the noise.

OK, maybe not have the bed in the same room.

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