On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 11:15:38 +0000
Manfred Wassmann via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 10:22 AM aitor <aitor_czr@???> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 6/8/23 11:18, Manfred Wassmann via Dng wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:54 AM Olaf Meeuwissen
> > <paddy-hack@???> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Manfred Wassmann via Dng <dng@???> writes:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:57 AM tito via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> > [1] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20230721.011329.adaba746.en.html
> >
> > In my understanding of Ian's post, the point was to install Debian with
> > an init other than systemd from within the installer.
> >
> > Sorry, but then your understanding is wrong: In his blog post Ian
> > clearly states: "systemd refuses to allow itself to be deinstalled, if
> > it is already running, so if you boot into the systemd system you
> > can’t then switch init system."
> >
> > That's exactly Olaf's understanding. Ian explains how to switch a different init system during the installation process in Debian.
>
> No it isn't, definitely not. My quote from Ian's blog post explains
> WHY he resorts to removing systemd at the installation stage and not
> afterwards. So the point of Ian's blog post was not simply /"to
> install Debian with an init other than systemd from within the
> installer"/ as Olaf wrote but to /"to install Debian with
> an init other than systemd from within the installer BECAUSE IT'S NOT
> POSSIBLE AFTERWARDS"/ and that was what me ant tito referred to. So
> Olaf was wrong when he wrote /"What you and tito are talking about is
> cleaning up after the 'harm' has been done. That's a different
> story."/ because it obvioussly is part of the story.
> To be clear, it was Ian Jackson and NOT ME who came up with the
> argument systemd could not be removed from a live installation.
>
> BTW IIRC it was you who complained about this thread not ending, so
> you'd better think again before joining tito hitting at me.

Hi,
by no means my intention is/was to hit at you nor at anybody else.
Sometimes I have a different opinion than you
but if your ideas are enlightening I'm willing
to listen to them and learn.

Ciao,
Tito

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