On Saturday, July 22, 2023, Marjorie Roome via Dng <dng@???>
wrote:

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> Firstly elogind doesn't have any systemd dependencies. .
>

Of course not because it is a forked subset of systemd so that people like
this diziet can pretend they were running Debian without systemd.

But WRT it being in Devuan, that doesn't matter. Nobody forces you to
install it unless you want to install packages which depend on it, like
Gnome, but noone forces you to install that either. And that is what Devuan
really is about: Leaving the choice to the user.

Debian has left that path when they started pottering, forced systemd down
the throat of their users and drove the people out of the project which
then started Devuan. The only point of not having systemd as an option in
Devuan is that you simply can install Debian if you want that choice.

Debian OTOH doesn't give you any choice and that is clearly visible when
you closely read the linked blog post: You can hack together a Debian
without systemd, but that's not supported by Debian. A choice would be e.g.
an installer menu which lets you select an init system.


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