# Devuan meet 2023-06-08 @20:30 UTC

Present: golinux, hendrik, adam, jaromil, plasma41, setto

Regrets: fsmithred, altoid, bb|hcb

## Old Business
### golinux

 - Please give me a reason to renew devuan.info. Can't you find
anything to put on that domain?
   - (bb|hcb) The only one is to disallow others from misusing it...
Why don't you transfer that to Dyne?
      - (gl) Can you please discuss with Jaromil? He said something in
passing about doing that but didn't seem convinced. I am happy to
continue paying for devuan.dev. rrq has admin access so I think he
could handle the transfer . . .
        - (Xenguy) On the [main devuan.org web
page](https://devuan.org), at the bottom, there is mention of 2
domains:  dev-one.org and dev-1.org
        - (Xenguy) I am not sure either of them is operational
currently; can anyone else confirm?
          - (gl) Those 2 domains have been owned by dyne from the very
beginning of Devuan as alt paths to access.
            - (Xenguy) I like them, but if they are not working, dyne
needs to fix that, or we need to remove mention of them from our web
page.
              - (gl) Agreed. Another task for boian and jaromil . . .
FYI I have some old browser history for these domains so they worked
at one time.

## Old Actions

## New Business
### golinux

- Symlinks are broken in gitea's gui. It is a known issue that has not
been fixed. Plasma can fill you in on the details

- (plasma41) The issue is tracked in Gitea's issue tracker
[here](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/12219), but the last
activity on that page is around 1 1/2 years old. Gitea originally
forked off of Gogs and I was able to find [this pull
request](https://github.com/gogs/gogs/pull/6113) in the Gogs issue
tracker that proports to add this functionality to Gogs. While it may
be possible to apply this patchset to our Gitea instance, that
immediately raises questions of ongoing maintenance of a Gitea fork.
Speaking of Gitea forks, it appears there was a schism in the Gitea
developer community not too long ago and a number of the devs forked
Gitea to create a new project, Forgejo (AFAICT that's pronounced 'four
JAY yo'). Post Daedalus release, it may be worth discussing whether it
would be worth the trouble to migrate from Gitea to Forgejo. I say all
of this very much from the peanut gallery; I've never run my own
{Gogs,Gitea,Forgejo} instance and I've never written a single line of
Go.

- Discussion of the "banned packages" list today:

http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/

  - FatPhil    should I be worried by the term "banned"?    20:14
    FatPhil    if it's just incompatibility, then that's their
incompatibility, it's not us "banning" them.    20:15
    golinux    Good point!    20:19
    fsmithred    I think banned means blocked by amprolla from being
merged.    20:47
    fsmithred    so they don't show up in our repo    20:47
    golinux    That doesn't invalidate the point that FatPhil makes.    21:00
    golinux    I would rather put the onus on Debian for the
incompatibility than us looking like we are excluding something
21:02
    golinux    If Debian had required multi-init capability, cockpit
would be available

Should the "banned packages" category be reworded?
- (plasma) Maybe ~"excluded", "eschewed", "systemd-dependent"~ "blocked"
- (hendrik) "incompatible"?
- (gl) not init-compatible - init-incompatible

### fsmithred
- New refractainstaller and snapshot are in ceres. I made a ceres live
iso (i386) to test them. Oops: only test the cli installer. Graphical
installer is wrong version.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i21to0ovdv4ncfr/AAAKqHBWYK7pAe_FY83dugJda?dl=0

### plasma41
- Just a thought: While I think everyone would like to release
Daedalus with all haste, would it be advantageous to wait another
month for Bookworm 12.1 to release and base our Daedalus release on
the theoretically slightly more ironed out base?
- (Xenguy) I agree this may be worth considering; I also do not feel
that we are quite ready on the web site side yet either, so this would
give us some extra time to get our web updates done right.

## New Actions
- (setto)Sprint to take the website out of emergency mode so that it
gets easier to contribute to it. Find a Static Site Generator so
content can be written in MarkDown. After Daedalus release.
- (Xenguy) 1. What is this "emergency mode" of which you speak?
- (Xenguy) 2. To contribute one needs to be able to edit HTML, and
know just enough git to be dangerous. Is this considered too high a
bar of entry?
- (Xenguy) 3. Static Site Generator (SSG) ? Authoring web content
in Markdown? Perhaps, but this presumes that editing HTML is a
barrier to participation; where is the evidence to support this
contention?
- (Xenguy) 4. Let's have a good thorough discussion of these points
before we start charging down this path (after Daedalus release,
agreed). Personally, as someone who has contributed to the web site
regularly since 2020, I am quite happy with the current web site
implementation as it stands.


- (setto) assist golinux and ease her work on the themeing for Freia
(Is XFCE the way to continue? Mate? KDE?)
- (gl) Excaliber needs to be themed before Freia . . .
- (Xenguy) I have seen talk of development problems/issues with
XFCE, but don't know the details. I use MATE myself, so this would be
my vote if XFCE needs to be replaced for some reason. It works well
for me.


- (hendrik) Should have the ability to have one source file include
another, and the ability to have one source file generate several html
files. The last time I looked into it, MarkDown lacked one of these
features (I forget which one)