On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 14:43:34 +0100
Mark Hindley <mark@???> wrote:

> This issue came up again on #devuan-dev today WRT pipewire.
>
> I ran the same quick and dirty test that I did in July 2021 to get a rough
> estimate of the size of the issue in ceres.
>
> There are now about 103 unforked binary packages in ceres whose src
> Build-Depends: systemd and are therefore unbuildable on a Devuan system. That
> is an increase of about 10 since July 2021. The list is attached.
>
> Really this is a combination of lazy packaging in Debian and the fact that
> systemd is so monolithic. There is no reason why a package build should depend
> on the init system that is running.
>
> I did have a brief exchange with Michael Biebl asking for a Debian systemd-dev package
> to be created. He wasn't completely averse, but it isn't going to be anywhere on
> his priority list. There is already a wishlist bug[1].

Hi,
what if we create a systemd-devuan package higher in version number
or pinned with the needed files?

Ciao,
Tito

>
> Even having achieved that, pursuing each case to work out why the systemd
> build-depends and getting it changed is there is going to be very time
> consuming.
>
> I am not sure this is something we can just ignore, but I don't really have any
> other (palatable) suggestions. I am hoping somebody else might!
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
> [1] https://bugs.debian.org/945922
>