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Autore: Peter Duffy
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To: dng
Oggetto: Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
Obviously the higher up the management tree that one goes, the less the
likelihood of finding someone who knows what systemd is, let alone
appreciates that running a systemd-based distro on a server is a risk,
if not actually a danger.

In my own case - (a) I hate systemd for all the standard reasons - and
more - and (b) I resent the requirement for learning a load of new
commands, file syntax and administration procedures, when the new stuff
offers no advantages whatsoever. I also (c) know from personal
experience that systemd occasionally causes hangs in bootup and
shutdown, and that's obviously disastrous if it affects a server with
300+ users.

>From the management point of view, (a) and (b) are irrelevant (although

it might be expected that my 25+ years' experience should give them some
weight); (c) ***should*** be relevant. The challenge is to find a way to
convey the fact that it's relevant.


On Wed, 2021-12-01 at 21:03 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Radisson via Dng said on Wed, 1 Dec 2021 21:55:13 +0100
>
> >Am 19.11.21 um 12:29 schrieb Peter Duffy:
> >> I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number
> >> of linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've
> >> had a concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested
> >> that in the future, it may not be possible to find staff who have
> >> the skills to administer and manage servers running non-systemd or
> >> pre-systemd distros/releases.
> >>
> >
> >
> >FUD,
>
> But it's the customer's FUD, so if the OP wants to get money for a
> well-crafted project, he needs to address this issue.
>
> >i do unix since 25 year and if your sysadmin is not capable the manage
> >a few scripts whats that ?
> > From my point of view is systemd a still developing target, that no
> > one
> >really understands.
>
> If there's a PID1/supervisor that nobody really understands, that says
> a lot of that PID/supervisor. I use runit, and I can explain it in
> minute detail. That's the difference between runit and systemd.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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