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Skribent: Bruce Perens
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Til: Alexander Brüning
CC: dng@lists.dyne.org
Emne: Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland
Unfortunately there isn't really a good display solution for Linux
that does not make use of "direct rendering", in which user-mode code
talks directly to the display hardware - especially where 3D and video
are concerned. It is simply not possible to construct a reliable
system in which user-mode code has direct access to hardware. In any
well-designed system, this is exclusively a kernel function. Wayland
just takes the user-mode code even closer to the hardware.

    Thanks


    Bruce


On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:22 AM Alexander Brüning via Dng
<dng@???> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2021-09-02 at 14:16 -0500, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > My long time mentor in things Linux (described himself as a fossil) is no
> > longer with us. (He suggested that I strongly consider using Devuan which
> > I now have on one system.)
> > He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function, was
> > really not worth running.
> > Yet it is being touted as the X11 replacement and is now supposedly
> > capable of handling both multi-gpu and multi-monitor setups.
> >
> > What say you?
> >
> > TIA
>
> I keep looking into Wayland every 6 months or so. It isn't ready yet. There
> are a bunch of native, minimalist window managers for it and apparently the
> X compatibility layer works quite well, but all the slightly heavier WMs/DEs
> didn't convince me. Gnome is just a default no from me, KDE works but keeps
> crashing, XFCE isn't ported yet and the few small native DEs are still very
> early. The most usable WM seems to be Sway, but that is heavily inspired by
> i3 which I personally don't like.
>
> What I can say on the positive side though is that it works just fine on my
> Systemd-free Gentoo installation (haven't tried it on Devuan yet) and seems
> very smooth. On AMD at least. Nvidia has really, really dragged its feet on
> supporting the necessary extensions.
>
> Somewhat related: Pipewire is already much, much better than Pulseaudio and
> seems ready for daily use. If you have a need for something that provides
> functionality above pure ALSA give it a go.
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