Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 10:39:28 -0400
Hendrik Boom scripsit:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:33:18AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 02:33:36 +0200
> > Arnt Karlsen scripsit:
> > > [...]
> > > ..thanks to Tim for pushing me to investigate that story, Jim did
> > > indeed say that, initially. And wise people update as they learn
> > > more...
> > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/no-open-source-audacity-audio-editor-is-not-spyware/?comments=1
> > >
> > > ..and there's even more:
> > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/?comments=1
> > >
> > > ..it's like Github's next owner making you pay to see source code.
> > > Sheet music is effectively the source code of music, and that
> > > analogy has been used to explain source code as a concept to the
> > > general public, to legislators and to jurors and judges in courts.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's most concerning. Just these lines:
> >

> > Personal data collected:    Data necessary for law enforcement, litigation and authorities' requests (if any)
> > Why collect it:     For legal enforcement
> > Legal grounds for processing:    Legitimate interest of WSM Group to defend its legal rights and interests

> >
> > This is a strict no-go. Any software even with the "option" to get you prosecuted by any countries laws will get you in trouble. Any sane person should stay away from that crap as far as possible.
> >
> > Nik
>
> Audacity does not collect data unless you opt in to data collection.
>
> You do not need to do this.
> If the data are necessary for law enforcement, Audacity will hand it
> over. This is presumably required by law, whether is is mentioned in the
> privacy agreement or not.

When you think about this, it's most alarming. There is no need for this functunality in the first place. "Sombody" has to work hard (infrastructure, time, resources) to implement this surveillance functionality. If it costs, "somebody" will want to ge a revenue. There is no such thing as a law to force the user to give data out of his/her hands unwillingly.

This is a road everybody should pay close attention and if a project takes that turn - drop it.

> There's no indication they will change the data they collect because law
> enforcement requests it.

This is not reassuring, on the contrary.

> If law enforcement needs additional user data beyond what audacity has,
> they presumably have to collect it from the user.

So why sould the user accept audacity to to the police job?

> As for the use of the software by children, audacity should simply refuse 
> to collect any data from children, and
>    * ask the user if they are children
>    * and if so, simply not colect those data, whether telemetry is turned 
> on or off.

In my country this kind of "data gathering" is not allowed aka illegal, not only for children. Audacity will have a bad press when this goes public - and every distribution with this kind of spyware will get it's dose of "told you it's not better than Windows".

Nik

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