On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 12:09:01PM -0700, Patrick Bartek via Dng wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 13:01:52 +0200
> Alessandro Vesely via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sat 26/Jun/2021 01:10:08 +0200 Patrick Bartek Via Dng wrote:
> > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:34:32 +0200
> > > Alessandro Vesely via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> > >> After I did a system upgrade, I couldn't mount an USB key any
> > >> more, until I manually installed udevil. What happened,
> > >> dependency changes? >
> > > This is one of the "gotchas" that can happen when running an "in
> > > development" version. As far as why it happen: could be a number of
> > > things. Most of the time, it's because a dependency, like udevil to
> > > spacefm, become mismatched version-wise. That is, udevil has become
> > > "too old" to work with spacefm, and the upgrade process uninstalls
> > > it. Try "full-grade" instead of just "upgrade" to get the newer
> > > version of the dependencies when "upgrading." In fact, this is the
> > > recommended procedure when running an "in development" or testing
> > > version.
> >
> >
> > I tried apt-get dist-upgrade afterwards, but it didn't bring up much
> > staff. Later on, I found that some software that I don't use very
> > often was removed from my system. I had to install anew Inkscape and
> > MariaDB server.
>
> Without knowing the particulars of how you installed Chimaera or how
> it's configured, it's going to be difficult to diagnose your problems.
> However, the main problem is that you are using Chimaera which is still
> in development, and that can introduce problems. Although, usually,
> they correct themselves when the developers do the next round of
> "fixes."
>
> Did you do a clean install or upgrade from a previous version? IIRC,
> you dist-upgraded from a Debian distro, but I've forgotten which one.
> This can and does introduce problems even if done correctly.
>
> Post your /etc/apt/sources.list and anything that is
> in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, too. If they are not set up properly,
> that can cause problems.
>
> > I remember many release changes done in two steps, apt-get upgrade
> > followed by apt-get dist-upgrade for the rest. This time it seems
> > that the system forgot about removed packages. Is it so because
> > chimaera is not yet released?
>
> How did you remove those packages?
>
> No. Chimaera still being Testing shouldn't be a cause..
>
> When using Testing, don't use apt-get upgrade, but only apt-get
> dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade. This is recommended when
> running Testing instead of Stable. Upgrade by design won't install major
> upgrades to apps, system files, etc. which can occur with Testing.

How does it distinguish between an upgrade and a major upgrade?

-- hendrik

> After Testing (Chimaera) becomes Stable, then use only apt-get upgrade
> or apt upgrade. There are times when dist-upgrade needs to be used
> to "fix" something, but we'll deal with that later.
>
> B
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