On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 12:05:39AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> ..snip "tech" justification of subversive systemd politics.
>
> > So in summary, there is no way of running cockpit in a
> > non-systemd/Linux environment that I'd be willing to support.

Most of the worries mentioed here seem a bit overblown, but still
need to be considered.
>
> ..found just 3 mentions of "systemd", and this gem in:
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/c/cockpit/cockpit_243-1_changelog
> "- Detect unregistered RHEL systems on Software Updates page"

But I did look at those mentions of systemd. The one I found
worrisome was the first:

  * Add smoke autopkgtest that can run in containers.
    Add a simple test of cockpit-bridge and the login page to ensure that
    packages have the right dependencies and contents, and that the systemd
    units are set up correctly to get a login page on
    https://localhost:9090.
    This can also run in a container and thus in Debian's CI and on all

If systemd becomes an integral par of Debian's packaging system,
it may cause us difficulties.

-- hendrik
>
> ..now, Martin Pitt does offer a good recommendation:
> > For these I'd rather recommend looking at webmin, ebox, or similar
> > project."
>
> ..https://alternativeto.net/software/cockpit-linux/
>
> ..to maintain e.g. webmin (https://www.webmin.com/ )
> support for cockpit, you may wanna look at these 2: ...
> "https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-bridge
> Cockpit bridge server-side component
> The Cockpit bridge component installed server side and runs commands
> on the system on behalf of the web based user interface."
> ...and "https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-tests
> Tests for Cockpit
> This package contains tests and files used while testing Cockpit.
> These files are not required for running Cockpit." ...
>
> ...and check systemd and cockpit brass thinking: ...
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/cockpit-doc
> "Cockpit deployment and developer guide
> The Cockpit Deployment and Developer Guide shows sysadmins how to
> deploy Cockpit on their machines as well as helps developers who
> want to embed or extend Cockpit."
>
> ...against: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/cockpit
> and the possible potential Ken Thompson style hacks:
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ken+Thompson+style+hacks&ia=web
>
> ..and, who needs a compiler with systemd onboard? My guess is systemd
> running as PID1, can be set up to launch such possible "Ken Thompson
> style hack" attacks, all you need to do is hide them away in binaries
> somewhere "neccessary" online, so these new Cockpit web admin user
> systemd victims never understand them, even if they ever find out how
> to read such C etc code...
>
> ..on cockpit and alternatives:
> https://www.unixmen.com/cockpit-a-beginner-friendly-server-administration-tool/
> https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/241/Cockpit
> https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/cpanel-vs-plesk-vs-webpanel/
> https://alternativeto.net/software/webmin/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels
>
> ..cockpit is not known by Wikipedia:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_(disambiguation)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=intitle%3A%22Cockpit%22&ns0=1
>
>
> ..turns out ebox changed its name, and, it does not support Procmail:
> https://zentyal.com/features/
>
> ..webmin supports procmail.
>
> --
> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> best case, worst case, and just in case.
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