# Devuan meet 2021-05-27 @20:30 UTC

Present: Rick Moen, rrq, fsr, LeePen, Xenguy, golinux, mason, Adam Burns
(dyne), Hendrik, bgstack15, Jaromil, alv, HolyTaint

## Old Business

## Old Actions

## New Business

### LeePen
* Updated openvpn in ceres/chimaera
* Deployed amprolla fixes for DNS caching, rsync order and fetch from
  upstream by hash. Implementation of GPG verification of upstream
  sources is also in testing and under review.
* Build Reproducability I noticed that some packages (not sure how many
  ATM) are not buildable on a Devuan system. One example is xrdp which
  Build-Depends systemd, however the binaries it produces have no
  systemd dependency. I am unsure how we should handle such
  inconsistencies.
  * (bgstack15) We probably should discuss if we intend our distro to be
    reproducible entirely without systemd, or if we want our users to be
    able to run everything entirely without systemd. The second is
    easier than the first.
  * (bgstack15) I volunteer to fork xrdp from Debian and packaging it
    for Devuan.

### Xenguy
* Updated four web site pages to reflect Devuan's IRC migration from
Freenode to Libera network.

### mason
  * MoinMoin effort starting. Spinning one up at home as POC before
    trying one on wiki.devuan.org.
    * Devuan ships python-moinmoin and editmoin, which is a significant
      win, but Debian only has it as far as Buster. It's not in
      Bullseye.
    * ...and in this it's quite similar to the Mailman issue, below.

### Rick Moen Mailman 2.1.29-1+deb10u1 (from Debian 10 buster) installs
in "backup" aka mail.devuan.dev -- though I had to retrofit the
missing SysVInit pieces. Biggest obstacle is that the package is not
in any development repository at Debian, and there are a couple of
security issues, not detailed here. I am seeing about options about
those issues, and knitting together the dodgy bits of Mailman +
Postfix + Apache config, to support further testing. People with shell
on "backup" can see full details as I narrate them in
/home/rick/Mailman-ChangeLog . Unfortunately, switching to a Devuan
"bullseye" (testing) host wouldn't fix the security issues, because
Mailman 2.1.x is basically gone from the Debian dev repo side. Suggest
Adam and I coordinate prospectively on LiberaChat #devuan-dev. On a
different note, here is my boilerplate note I keep about client
software for Jitsi Meet: You will need: o Computer w/supported Web
browser. Jitsi Meet's supported list is at
https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/docs/user-guide/supported-browsers
mic w/ speakers/headphones. Headphones/earbuds are recommended
because they avert audio feeback loops. o or one of the specialised
Jitsi Meet client programs: o Jitsi Meet Client (28MB APK) for Android
5.0+ as published via F-Droid:
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.jitsi.meet/ o Jitsi Meet Client
for Android, as published via Google Play Store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jitsi.meet o Jitsi
Meet Client for iOS, published on Apple iTunes Store
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jitsi-meet/id1165103905 o Jitsi Meet
Electron desktop client (86MB binary: Linux x86_64, MacOS,
MS-Windows), https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases
(Recommendation for headphones/earbuds still applies.)

### Adam See Rick above. Saw some of this was done, but not sure what
status was/is, so was difficult to chip in. Coordination over IRC cool
:)

## New Actions