On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:45:49AM +0000, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:42 AM, Simon Walter <simon@???> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
>
> > I wanted to see if Cockpit would by some unknown magic run on Devuan.
> > The reason I wanted to do this is because the packages are available in
> > the default repos.
> >
>
> > After installing it on an fresh Beowulf installation, it does not run
> > and to my knowledge will never be able to w/o systemd sockets.
> >
>
> > So, may I suggest that it is removed from the default repos, as it is
> > misleading for beginners and may lead to unnecessary bug reports.
> >
>
> > IIRC, the policy is not to remove anything related, but use stubs and
> > let the user deal with half-broken software (ie. GNOME). Cockpit doesn't
> > (currently) have dependencies on systemd and it's modules, but it
> > requires a systemd socket to function. So, AFAICT, it is not even
> > partially usable.
> >
>
> > Best regards,
> >
>
> > Simon
> >
>
>
> I sympathise, but am not sure this would (currently) be the best use of resources.
> There is an ever growing list of packaged applications that do not function without SystemD.
> If every one were identified, then removal of all from the repos may be justified.
> Who is going to volunteer to be the Devuan developer that continuously performs this duty ?
>
> I see this as being the work for a downstream distribution, to take the freedom that Devuan provides and tailor it (reducing choice) for a specific target use.

There should be soe way of warning potential users once it has been
discovered that a package is useless. We're wasting their time
otherwise.

-- hendrik