begin quotation from Gregory Nowak (in <20210429005552.GA3735@???>):

> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Arne Wichmann wrote:
> > begin  quotation  from Gregory Nowak (in <20210427021227.GA8134@???>):
> > > 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who
> > >    do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the
> > >    GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation. Last time
> > >    I checked, the situation in debian was opposite, fresh installs
> > >    have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console.

> > >
> > This feels like a good solution to me. As far as I can see text-based
> > interfaces are easier for vision-impaired people. But I am no expert on
> > this.
>
> No, not necessarily. There are plenty of people who prefer to arrow and
> tab through an interface, rather than typing commands.

Category error: "text based interface" is anything you can do with a VT220
(or so), so arrow and tab apply. My point is about text vs graphics, not
commandline versus what Mike Gancarz[1] called CUI.

> Also, I'm starting to get confused myself, so let me clarify the
> situation. If pulseaudio is running as is the case in debian, or if
> debian-pulseaudio-config-override is installed in devuan, users will
> have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. If
> debian-pulseaudio-config-override isn't installed, and pulseaudio
> isn't running in devuan, users will have speech at the text console,
> but not at the GUI.
>
> > I would further propose to open a bug at the installer to address the point
> > you just made.
>
> I'm not sure I follow. Yes, we can modify the installer so that if an
> accessible install is chosen by typing s at the boot prompt, the
> debian-pulseaudio-config-override package will not be installed when
> installing a desktop environment. However, this would still require
> forking speech-dispatcher to give users speech at the text and GUI
> consoles out of the box after a fresh install.

So it seems you are back at forking, aren't you?

cu

AW

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Mike_Gancarz:_The_UNIX_Philosophy
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