On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:57:38 -0400
fsmithred via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> On 4/14/21 9:50 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 09:02:54AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> tito via Dng said on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:03:02 +0200
> >>
> >>

> >>> 2) should non-free and contrib repos be added to sources.list
> >>>    or should that be left to the user

> >>
> >> I'm not sure whether my answer is responsive to your question or
> >> not, but here goes...
> >>
> >> I believe enough non-free and contrib stuff should be available at
> >> install time (or boot time on a live CD/flash) that the user
> >> doesn't need to put in additional media to get boot, network,
> >> video and sound working. And I believe any non-free and contrib
> >> stuff should, by default, be installed at install time, but before
> >> installation the user should be given the option of opting out of
> >> this non-free/contrib stuff, so if he/she only uses free software,
> >> he/she can maintain that principle in the installation.
> >>
> >> Stating it the inverse way, I HATE these installs that bomb because
> >> there's no FSF-satisfying drivers, firmware or software to handle
> >> my new laptop's weird hardware. And those distros that do that,
> >> their mailing lists always say "well just put in a thumb drive
> >> with the drivers/firmware!" How the KFDWOJMFOW do I know which
> >> drivers and firmware? I think free software purist snobs drive
> >> more people back to Windows than cleanse people of their non-free
> >> ways.
> >
> > Yes, the nonfree software which is necessary to getting hardware to
> > work should be installed unless the user explicitly says not to do
> > it. He may be committed to freedom, but may have been bamboozled by
> > the hardware vendor or has been given a free (but not libre) piece
> > of hardware by a doting aunt for his birthday.
> >
> > That said, he should have to opt in to receiving other nonfree
> > software. That should be a separate choice. He may well want to be
> > as independent of nonfree software as practical.
> >
> > And let me remind you, there is precious little completely libre
> > computer hardware around. Until there is, even the most extreme
> > libre/freedom advocate will have nonfree stuff somewhere in the
> > stack.
> >
> > Yes, I'm hoping for the longterm success of the libre-soc project.
> >
> > -- hendrik
> > _______________________________________________
>
> It's currently opt-out. You must select Expert install to avoid
> non-free and to choose your sources. Something about how the
> installer works makes it easier to do it this way rather than the
> reverse. And it's also easier for the non-experts to get their
> hardware working this way.
>
> fsmithred

So I will add them by default.

Ciao,
Tito