On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 21:56:03 +0200
Svante Signell via Dng <dng@???> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The following text file describes the procedure:
> (replacing Debian's Gnome desktop (default) with Devuan's Gnome)
>
> apt-get install emacs-nox
> apt-get install net-tools
> emacs ~srs/.bashrc
> + export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> source ~srs/.bashrc
> ifconfig
> ens3 ...
>
> Remove all entries of debian.
> emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
> deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main
> deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main
> deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main
> deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan beowulf-proposed main
> wget
> https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb
> dpkg -i devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade (not as good idea)
> apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> chrome-gnome-shell colord dbus-user-session gdm3 gnome gnome-color-
> manager
> gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-music gnome-session
> gnome-settings-daemon gnome-shell gnome-shell-extensions gnome-
> software
> gnome-tweaks gstreamer1.0-packagekit iio-sensor-proxy libnss-systemd
> libpam-systemd network-manager network-manager-gnome packagekit
> packagekit-tools plymouth plymouth-label policykit-1 rtkit systemd
> systemd-sysv task-gnome-desktop
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> ant ant-contrib ant-optional atril atril-common ca-certificates-java
> cinnabar-icon-theme clearlooks-phenix-cinnabar-theme cups-common
> debian-pulseaudio-config-override default-jre default-jre-headless
> dmz-cursor-theme eudev exo-utils firebird3.0-common firebird3.0-
> common-doc
> firebird3.0-server-core firebird3.0-utils fonts-crosextra-caladea
> fonts-crosextra-carlito fonts-liberation fonts-mathjax fonts-symbola
> gnome-extra-icons gnome-icon-theme gstreamer1.0-alsa gtk2-engines
> gtk2-engines-xfce gtk3-nooverlayscrollbar hddtemp initscripts
> insserv java-common libactivation-java libaopalliance-java
> libapache-poi-java libapache-pom-java libargs4j-java libasm-java
> libatinject-jsr330-api- java
> libatk-wrapper-java libatk-wrapper-java-jni libatrildocument3
> libatrilview3
> libbase-java libbcmail-java libbcpkix-java libbcprov-java libcaja-
> extension1
> libcdi-api-java libcglib-java libcodemodel-java libcommons-cli-java
> libcommons-codec-java libcommons-collections3-java
> libcommons-collections4-java libcommons-compress-java libcommons-io-
> java
> libcommons-lang3-java libcommons-logging-java libcommons-math3-java
> libcommons-parent-java libcurvesapi-java libdom4j-java
> libdtd-parser- java
> libehcache-java libel-api-java libeudev1 libexo-1-0 libexo-2-0
> libexo-common
> libexo-helpers libfastinfoset-java libfbclient2 libflute-java
> libfonts-java
> libformula-java libgail-common libgail18 libgarcon-1-0 libgarcon-
> common
> libgeronimo-annotation-1.3-spec-java libgeronimo-interceptor-3.0-
> spec-java
> libglade2-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libguava-java
> libguice-java libhawtjni-runtime-java libhsqldb1.8.0-java
> libhttpclient-java
> libhttpcore-java libib-util libicu4j-java libintellij-annotations-
> java
> libistack-commons-java libitext-java libjansi-java libjansi-native-
> java
> libjaxb-api-java libjaxb-java libjaxen-java libjcommon-java
> libjdom1- java
> libjetbrains-annotations-java libjpeg-turbo-progs libjs-mathjax
> libjsoup-java libjsp-api-java libjsr305-java libkeybinder-3.0-0
> liblayout-java libloader-java liblog4j1.2-java libmail-java
> libmaven-file-management-java libmaven-parent-java
> libmaven-resolver- java
> libmaven-shared-io-java libmaven-shared-utils-java libmaven3-core-
> java
> libnotify-bin libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java libpixie-java
> libplexus-archiver-java libplexus-cipher-java libplexus-classworlds-
> java
> libplexus-component-annotations-java libplexus-interpolation-java
> libplexus-io-java libplexus-sec-dispatcher-java
> libplexus-utils2-java libpq5
> libqrencode4 librelaxng-datatype-java libreoffice-base
> libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-java-common libreoffice-report-
> builder
> libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-sdbc-firebird
> libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql librepository-
> java
> librngom-java libsac-java libsaxonhe-java libserializer-java
> libservlet-api-java libservlet3.1-java libsisu-guice-java
> libsisu-inject-java libsisu-ioc-java libsisu-plexus-java libslf4j-
> java
> libsnappy-java libsnappy-jni libstax-ex-java libstreambuffer-java
> libthunarx-3-0 libtommath1 libtumbler-1-0 libturbojpeg0 libtxw2-java
> libunique-1.0-0 libwagon-http-java libwagon-provider-api-java
> libwebsocket-api-java libwnck-common libwnck22 libxerces2-java
> libxfce4panel-2.0-4 libxfce4ui-1-0 libxfce4ui-2-0 libxfce4ui-common
> libxfce4ui-utils libxfce4util-bin libxfce4util-common libxfce4util7
> libxfconf-0-2 libxml-commons-external-java libxml-commons-
> resolver1.1-java
> libxml-java libxmlbeans-java libxnvctrl0 libxom-java libxsom-java
> libxz-java
> lm-sensors mousepad openjdk-11-jre openjdk-11-jre-headless parole
> pavucontrol ristretto startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
> tango-icon-theme thunar
> thunar-archive-plugin thunar-data thunar-media-tags-plugin thunar-
> volman
> tumbler tumbler-common xfburn xfce4 xfce4-appfinder xfce4-battery-
> plugin
> xfce4-clipman xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpufreq-plugin
> xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-dict xfce4-
> diskperf-plugin
> xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-goodies
> xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes xfce4-notes-
> plugin
> xfce4-notifyd xfce4-panel xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-power-manager
> xfce4-power-manager-data xfce4-power-manager-plugins xfce4-
> pulseaudio-plugin
> xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-sensors-plugin xfce4-session
> xfce4-settings xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin
> xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-terminal xfce4-timer-plugin
> xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-wavelan- plugin
> xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin
> xfconf xfdesktop4 xfdesktop4-data xfwm4 xscreensaver xscreensaver-data
> The following packages have been kept back:
> gir1.2-polkit-1.0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0
> libpolkit-gobject-1-0
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> base-files bsdutils colord-data dbus dbus-x11 desktop-base distro-
> info-data
> fdisk gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 init init-system-helpers libblkid1
> libcolord2 libcolorhug2 libdbus-1-3 libfdisk1 libmount1
> libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpcsclite1 libprocps7 libsmartcols1
> libudev1 libudisks2-0 libuuid1 mount net-tools procps
> python3-reportbug reportbug
> rsyslog sysvinit-utils task-british-desktop task-desktop
> task-english task-ssh-server tasksel tasksel-data udev udisks2
> util-linux util-linux-locales
> 41 upgraded, 253 newly installed, 30 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
> Need to get 183 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 443 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> Removing systemd (241-7~deb10u7) ...
> systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before
> removing systemd.
> apt --fix-broken install
> The following additional packages will be installed:
> elogind gir1.2-polkit-1.0 initscripts insserv libelogind0 libpam-
> elogind
> libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0
> libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 packagekit packagekit-tools
> policykit-1 startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> iio-sensor-proxy libnss-systemd libsystemd0 systemd
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> elogind initscripts insserv libelogind0 libpam-elogind
> libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0
> packagekit
> policykit-1 startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> gir1.2-polkit-1.0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 packagekit-tools
> 3 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 4 to remove and 41 not upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 1,954 kB/2,352 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 6,354 kB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> Removing systemd (241-7~deb10u7) ...
> systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before
> removing systemd.
> Manual FIX:
> dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit-core_2.93-8+devuan1_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.93-8+devuan1_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/sysv-rc_2.93-8+devuan1_all.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/insserv_1.18.0-2_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/startpar_0.61-1_amd64.deb
> Alternately:
> mkdir sysvinit
> cd sysvinit
> apt-get download sysvinit-core initscripts sysv-rc inssserv startpar
> dpkg -i *.deb
> cd ..
> <reboot> <now running sysvinit-core>
> apt --fix-broken install
> The following additional packages will be installed:
> elogind libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 packagekit
> packagekit-tools policykit-1
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> systemd
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> elogind libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 packagekit
> policykit-1
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> packagekit-tools
> 1 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 1 to remove and 41 not upgraded.
> 4 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0 B/1,639 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 6,832 kB disk space will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> apt-get upgrade
> The following packages have been kept back:
> desktop-base libcolord2 libudev1 udev util-linux
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> colord colord-data dbus dbus-x11 distro-info-data fdisk
> gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 init init-system-helpers libblkid1
> libcolorhug2
> libdbus-1-3 libfdisk1 libmount1 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpcsclite1
> libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libprocps7 libsmartcols1
> libudisks2-0 libuuid1 mount net-tools procps python3-reportbug
> reportbug
> rsyslog sysvinit-utils task-british-desktop task-desktop
> task-english task-ssh-server tasksel tasksel-data util-linux-locales
> 36 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
> Need to get 217 kB/6,334 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 2,100 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> dpkg -l|grep udev
> <no eudev yet>
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> cinnabar-icon-theme clearlooks-phenix-cinnabar-theme
> dmz-cursor-theme eudev
> gnome-extra-icons gnome-icon-theme gtk2-engines gtk3-
> nooverlayscrollbar
> libeudev1
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> desktop-base libcolord2 libudev1 udev util-linux
> 5 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B/19.4 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 22.6 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> <reboot>
> Network-manager is still installed:
> ifconfig
> eth0 ...
> less /etc/network/interfaces
> <no eth0>
> AND gnome is the desktop:
> ii gdm3
> apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
> The following additional packages will be installed:
> gnome gnome-core gnome-logs gstreamer1.0-packagekit network-manager-
> gnome
> Suggested packages:
> alacarte empathy gnome-remote-desktop goobox | sound-juicer polari
> webext-ublock-origin firefox-esr-l10n-all | firefox-l10n-all
> network-manager-openconnect-gnome network-manager-openvpn-gnome
> network-manager-vpnc-gnome network-manager-pptp-gnome
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> gnome gnome-core gnome-logs gstreamer1.0-packagekit network-manager-
> gnome
> task-gnome-desktop
> 0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 1,599 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 7,428 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
> <reboot>
> <login OK to gdm3/gnome>
> <desktop screensaver login is locked up>
> <very slow response>
> <reboot> Does not shut down :(
>
> But who cares about running gnome, especially in Devuan? I for one
> would not try it: We have xfce, mate, etc desktops that are more
> useful.E.g. apt-get install task-mate-desktop will solve the above
> problems and you can forget about gnome! In case you are interested in
> Gnome, you can continue from here!

Hi,
would you please test my script for migration v1.2 it is setup for
Debian with Gnome DE as this is the more systemd tied DE and
therefore a better test bench to detect problems. I think it could be
easily adapted to XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon or LXQT .
Advantages are: 
1) you never loose network
2) no mass packet deinstall and reinstall
3) Just one reboot to console (which could be automated, I suppose,
    to run a few more commands)
4) Fully working DE at next reboot

Contras:
 1) the reboot sequence is somewhat brutal and could be improved
       (any reboot gurus on the list?)

If there is some interest I can make a XFCE version.

Ciao,
Tito