# Devuan meet 2021-01-14 @20:30 UTC

Present: Xenguy, golinux, Adam, LeePen, mason, rrq, fsmithred,
danyspin97, plasma41, Centurion_Dan (driveby)

## Old Business

### bgstack15
* Do not be surprised if I cannot make it to the meeting
* lightdm was pushed to both beowulf-proposed-updates and unstable
* the systemctl script was provided to parazyd in the devuan-sanity
  package: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-sanity
  * we probably need to build a plan to release this into unstable; the
    package is useless just being in git.

### fsmithred
* Latest netinstall build#??? appears to install correctly to uefi
* Same build also installs speech correctly with the exception of the
debian-pulseaudio-config-override package, which works correctly when
installed. I suggest we make it a Recommends of task-desktop.

### Xenguy re: the 404 image license issue:
* Will provide an update, as per mason's interest.
* For reference: https://www.devuan.org/404.html

### LeePen
* Updated tasksel in ceres (3.62+devuan1).
* Updated tasksel for beowulf-proposed-updates with task-desktop
Recommending debian-pulseaudio-config-override (3.54+devuan4).
* Discovered unmerged repositories on pkgmaster were collecting cruft
(mainly obsolete versions of packages and by-hash index files). They
are now cleaned out, but there was a big deletion initially which was
alarming and I should have warned about it in advance. Sorry.

### mason
* Still working on lurc
  * in particular, representation of relationships, avoiding cycles,
    avoiding language-specific syntax in config
    * Do we have any predilections re: language? XML? JSON?
      S-expressionss? I'm fighting back the urge to keep config in a
      database. The current config format kind of looks like a database
      dump as it stands.
      * (plasma41) GNU recutils recfiles?
        <https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/>
  * noted dangling symlinks in repo: oldoldstable-backports,
    oldoldstable-proposed-updates, oldoldstable-updates,
    testing-backports, testing-security (LeePen) Cleaned up. See
    unmerged repo cruft removal above.
* (Deferring to Adam) The Debian Bug #975075 seems to be angling towards
  bundling init scripts in a separate package. Worrisome. (See Adam's
  comment below.)
  * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=975075
  * How to get users to install the Devuan-specific packages? Tricking
    via repo data was not popular. Forking lots of packages is the best
    answer, but has implications/problems based on manpower,
    credibility, etc.
* Will contact osuosl to ask about mirroring - emailed devuan-dev@ to
  ask about bandwidth, notion of community size
  * https://osuosl.org/

### adam
* also from Bug#975075: tech-ctte: non-systemd dependencies in non-NM
  packages On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 09:07:03PM +0000, Matthew Vernon
  wrote: > [0] to that end, orphan-sysvinit-scripts is in NEW,
  * (plasma41) Link is
    https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/orphan-sysvinit-scripts_0.03.html
* status of arm rpi image builds at http://arm-files.devuan.org/ tuxd3v
  on #devuan-arm builds, then gets manually transferred.
* communication with mirror providers over including .img files? contact
  old/out-of-date mirror maintainers
* jaromil: livesdk is the gold reference over arm|vm sdk for beowulf
  improvements

## Old Actions

## New Business

### plasma41
* I see the new debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in
beowulf-p-u. What's the process for automatically removing it from a
system upon eventual upgrade to chimaera? (plasma41) Not an issue.

### danyspin97
* Working on building Devuan: https://git.devuan.org/Dyne/stage-builder

### golinux
* Seems there might be an issue with the torrent/magnet links on the
website. Reported by a non-member to DNG so went into moderation. Can
someone plese sort it. Xenguy. . . note that it will need to be
changed on the download page of www.

## New Actions

### adam
* contact tuxd3v on #devuan-arm builds to discover current build method