On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:40:39 +0100
Adrian Zaugg <devuan.org@???> wrote:

> On 01.12.20 15:16, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
> > This brings us to the other thing worthy of note. Try sometime to
> > install Devuan (not Debian, Devuan) without systemd and you'll be
> > in for a rude shock. It's installed by default, and it's a massive
> > pain to eradicate it.
>
> What shows
>

>     apt remove --dry-run elogind

>
> on your system? Do you run a GUI on it?
>
> Without GUI elogind can be removed easly with apt remove --purge
> elogind; libsystemd0 gets pulled in by openssh-server and thus is
> present on many of my systems – unfortunately.

Wait a minute. When you say "without GUI", do you mean no X installed,
or do you mean it lacks the display manager to boot directly into X?
The former precludes desktop use; the latter is how I use my computer
every day, because startx and .xinitrc are my friends.

SteveT

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