On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:03:22 +0100
Arnt Karlsen <arnt@???> wrote:


> ..how does the guys running Slackware, and the *BSDs do this
> certbot thing, and how does it work with e.g. Tor?

Probably Dehydrated or a.n.other system


> ..meanwhile, I too lean towards Ian's contrarianism:
> http://michael.orlitzky.com/articles/lets_not_encrypt.xhtml


That has plenty of criticisms - rightly - but no solutions.

You can't change anything without an alternative solution. Just saying
"I am not playing doesn't" cut it. And if businesses are getting
marked down by not being https, they'll go with whatever gives them
the best Gobble ranking.

I tend to believe the main thing was getting people off their own email
systems that Gobble couldn't read, and on to their cloud infra, which
they could.

To do that they needed to try and convince people they were the good
guys (we protect you from spying governments with https) whilst getting
themselves a nice big data store.

See some comments say by Paul Wouters on Libreswan lists as to Gobble
and their attitude towards VPNs especially WRT the extremely
poor level of VPN encryption in Android.

"They expect you to use https, and not bother with VPNs"

As you rightly say, all for Gobbles benefit.

Shhheeeesssshhh - remember those days when they were the good guys?

I'm off to play Gopher :-)

--
John Crisp