On 11/15/20 10:33 AM, Fred wrote:
> On 11/15/20 5:28 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 22:29:06 -0300, Gastón wrote in message
>> <20201115012856.2w2ojom7elryjqgl@???>:
>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:36:36PM -0700, Fred wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I want to upgrade from Debian Jessie to Devuan.  Apparently all I
>>>> need to do is change the sources list and do a dist-upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Is this likely to go smoothly?  If there are any problems I would
>>>> probably not have Internet to ask for help.
>>>>
>>>> How does the upgrade get rid of systemd and everything associated
>>>> with it? Or how does one do that?
>>>
>>> Migrate from Debian Jessie to Beowulf guide:
>>> https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/dev1fanboy/en/jessie-to-beowulf.md
>>>
>>
>> ..a wee tweak would be mentioning systemd-free Debian 7 Wheezy
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Debian_7_(Wheezy)
>> as the "final safe" Debian version to upgrade from into Devuan, and not
>> neccessarily (Devuan) Beowulf.
>>
>>
>> ..there is also that risk of confusion with
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBeowulf
>> which is far less desireable for most people
>> than our Beowulf:
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Debian+Beowulf&ia=web
>>
>>
>> ..systemd was introduced as an optional init system in Debian 7 Wheezy,
>> which really makes Debian 6.0 Squeeze the final safe Debian version to
>> upgrade from into Devuan.
>>
>> ..the upgrade guide(s) for these should IMO start with an earlier
>> "dpkg --purge systemd" than adviced in your otherwise excellent
>> https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/dev1fanboy/en/jessie-to-beowulf.md
>>
>>
>> ..breaking systemd is totally fine, once it boots safely with any
>> other init system, the whole point with Devuan is fixing Debian's
>> systemd blunder coup, and that means purging systemd with whatever
>> dpkg --force-* it takes.
>>
>>
>> ..the easiest way might be making 2 more "copy" guides, e.g.
>> "Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan (Beowulf) guide:" and
>> "Migrate from Debian Squeeze and earlier to Devuan (Beowulf) guide:"
>> and publish those once we have these tested ok.
>>
>> ..I sort of tested this way back when I found out Devuan Jessie was
>> here, it took me going from "It's me, I wasted waaay too much time
>> at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groklaw " to "Theodore Ts'o has
>> problems with systemd???"
>>
> Hi,
> I am trying to upgrade to Devuan Beowulf.  The instructions for doing
> this require Jessie sysvinit to be installed first.  This is why I
> needed the proper Jessie sources.list.
>
> An update with the new sources.list gave some errors but apparently
> worked ok.  I installed sysvinit and rebooted as instructed.  The reboot
> hung at configuring network interfaces.  (I am using static ip and
> /e/n/i was already configured.)  To get around the hang I booted my
> original Jessie netinst DVD and instead of the installer Jessie booted
> normally and top shows sysvinit is now PID 1.  Sometimes life is
> wonderful and will get even better without Trump!
>
> After lunch I will continue the upgrade.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Best regards,
> Fred
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Hi,
The upgrade from Debian Jessie to Devuan Beowulf went ok. I did not
install a DE as I use Openbox and command line.

Uname -a still shows Debian. Why?

What would be the difference between the upgrade and a new install of
Beowulf?

Best regards,
Fred