If it’s really the case it’s not fair and not profesionnal at all.

For me the fact is the current situation is not suitable at all. debian
and devuan need a way to select init system and apt install related
packages even if the default package is systemd. Something like that.

mypackage
mypackage-sysinit


For the current problem i guess if we do the init file maybe we can
upstream push request it instead of forking it ?

Also i don t know state of devuan's $$ ressources but it will be
necessary to have some kind of testing of all package (pseudo code)

service package start
if $? == 0
ok
else
notok

And also scenario cases to improve qualities because it’s the only way
to keep diversity on long term. (a day i will have time to weekly meeting)



On 07/08/2020 04:12, Job Bautista wrote:
> It's not declared in Depends, but iwd has a hidden dependency on systemd. On
> non-systemd systems, iwd doesn't autostart on boot, requiring you to start it
> manually or create an initscript for it. Debian packages are supposed to work
> out-of-the-box when you install them. If today's iwd was being packaged
> before systemd became the default init of Debian, no sane DD would have
> sponsored or accepted it into the main archive.
>
> iwd also has a Build-Depends on systemd, which means it's impossible to build
> iwd on Devuan without disabling the compilation of the systemd service on
> debian/rules. Or maybe it does build without systemd even when the systemd
> service compilation is enabled. I haven't tested that yet I think.
>
> Job Bautista
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:28 PM, Bardot Jérôme <bardot.jerome@???> wrote:
>
>> I just check in testing debian and
>>
>
>> #apt show iwd
>>
>
>> Package: iwd
>> Version: 1.8-1
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: net
>> Maintainer: Andreas Henriksson andreas@???
>> Installed-Size: 2 019 kB
>> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27), libreadline8 (>= 6.0)
>> Download-Size: 483 kB
>> APT-Manual-Installed: yes
>> APT-Sources: tor+http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
>> Description: wireless daemon for Linux
>> Minimalistic wireless daemon that uses modern Linux interfaces like
>> cfg80211 and nl80211 (netlink). The daemon provides a D-Bus API.
>> .
>> The daemon can be controlled from the command line with the included
>> iwctl client utility.
>> .
>> The included iwmon utility can be used to monitor the 802.11 subsystem
>> generic netlink commands and events. It uses the nlmon kernel driver
>> from Linux 3.10 and later.
>>
>
>> If it s the right package it’s look like their is no dependencies to
>> systemd.
>>
>
>> On 06/08/2020 06:54, Job Bautista wrote:
>>
>
>>> Hi Jérôme, that looks like a good alternative indeed. It should be packaged by
>>> Debian though, not Devuan. However, I don't think I can maintain more than two
>>> packages. I already have a a sponsorship request pending on
>>> mentors.debian.net for the xfce4-alsa-plugin package.1 And now I'm going to
>>> maintain a fork of iwd. So you will have to ask someone else to package eiwd.
>>> I will ask the eiwd dev to consider adding support for sysvinit though. They
>>> might be more open to supporting multiple inits than their upstream iwd. Or
>>> they might just reject it because they want to modify as little as possible
>>> from upstream. Who knows...
>>> Job Bautista
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:58 PM, Jérôme Bardot bardot.jerome@??? wrote:
>>>
>
>>>> i also will ask for it, also maybe try to use
>>>> https://github.com/dylanaraps/eiwd look like a good alternative
>>>> because of the no dbus functionalities ?
>>>
>
>>>> Le mer. 5 août 2020 à 14:31, Mark Hindley mark@??? a écrit :
>>>
>
>>>>> Job,
>>>>> Many thanks for taking this on.
>>>>> A few comments on https://git.devuan.org/jobbautista9/iwd
>>>
>

>>>>> -   The branch should be suites/unstable.
>>>>> -   Add Origin: Devuan to d/control
>>>>> -   You need to update d/gbp.conf, in particular debian-branch, debian-tag and
>>>>>     pristine-tar. Devuan avoids using pristine-tar.

>>>>>
>
>>>
>

>>>>> -   Vcs-* fields in d/control should be https://git.devuan.org/devuan/iwd (where
>>>>>     the definitive source will be once it is accepted)

>>>>>
>
>>>
>

>>>>> -   You don't need quilt patches for changes in debian/. So you can just create
>>>>>     the initscript as debian/iwd.init.

>>>>>
>
>>>
>

>>>>> -   You shouldn't add the initscript control fragments to the maintscripts
>>>>>     manually, debhelper should do it (correctly) for you.

>>>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>>> Other than the last item, these are documented in the Devuan Maintainers
>>>>> Guide1. If anything is not clear do ping me on #devuan-dev.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Mark (LeePen)
>>>>> 1 https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers
>>>
>
>>>>> devuan-dev internal mailing list
>>>>> devuan-dev@???
>>>>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev
>