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Autore: Steve Litt
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Oggetto: Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working
On Tue, 19 May 2020 10:29:02 +0100
Peter Duffy <peter@???> wrote:

> Apologies for following up on my own post - just an afterthought.
>
> When I originally encountered systemd, the word was that it was so
> pervasive that it couldn't be removed (obviously, now we know
> different ;) )
>
> Given the alleged non-optionality of systemd, I started to wonder
> about some kind of an init system wrapper (or even jail) - an
> abstraction layer which would sit between the init subsystem and the
> main system, and sanitise and homogenise interactions between the
> two; init systems, including systemd, could be plugged and unplugged
> into the top surface as desired; the abstraction layer would manage
> commands and responses (including lying to the init subsystem if the
> latter tried to do something dangerous or antisocial).


Oh please don't suggest this: Poettering might do it.

The job of an init system (not systemd, that's a software analogy of
those old electronic circuits encased in epoxy so nobody could reverse
engineer them) is to:

1) Run as PID1, listening for certain

2) PID1 forks off early boot stuff to mount, unencrypt, construct
    devices, set up the network, and the like.


3) PID1 forks off a daemon handler. The best daemon handlers are, in my
    opinion, djb style process supervisors like daemontools, runit and
    s6.


4) Upon receipt of a certain signal, PID1 forks or execs the shutdown
    script.


It really is just that simple. There's no need to add anything to
accommodate badly behaved init system authors.

SteveT

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