dear Bernard,

thanks for your mail, I find it frank and constructive overall

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote:

> On top of that, add uncertainty on Devuan's future & demotivating
> peremptory statements ("I'm sure Devuan will not survive without
> Debian's help.") and I am close to be utterly certain we are
> colliding with a wall down the road.

noone here will build that wall, but we should be aware is getting
built and I believe that, even if its a shock to see it, its still
better than continue to drive while not seeing it.

this is also about the responsibility we have taken, which isn't
small: many people trust Devuan for its demonstrated stability. we
should never betray who really trust us and is able to see beyond an
april fool's joke gone awol. in case we cannot make it, we shall admit
it IMHO. I have *personally* admitted to see a wall that is hard to
circumvent and I want that people building that wall know well what
they are doing.

Also makes me happy to see a growing amount of thinkering to solve the
situation and avoid an arms race which we'd lose: the discussion on
converting systemd units is a good example of a qualitative solution
at hand. There are well skilled people listening and they may decide
to help Devuan. I would love to be proven wrong on my beliefs and
prefer to be depicted as an idiot here than to see Devuan die. Been
through that anyway.

So, we will not go easy through that good night. But Debian developers
should really know their responsibilities. I believe many of them have
a strong ethical sense about what they are doing.

ciao