On 08/11/2019 05:55, Plasma wrote:
> And now for your kind attention, the devuan-dev meet notes for
> Wednesday, November 6th, 2019.
>
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> ### golinux
> - Very few arm images have been forthcoming. I have been hanging on the
> arm channel. There is tinkering but no focus at all on the point
> release. It has been discussed before that we drop arm images and
> encourage users to build their own with the SDK. Doing that would
> accelerate the Beowulf release. This advice from yeti:
> - ditch all arm images
> - they are a mess since pre1.0 days
> - I'm very unhappy about this but its better than keeping them
> - only some tinkerers can use them
Don't kid yourselves that Linux Newbies are going to come to Devuan
in their droves and need their hands held. It is those 'in the know'
that Devuan appeals to.

> - they are not enduser-ready
> - they never have been
> - images without kernel updates are not enduser ready

I wholeheartedly disagree with those last three statements.
Single use (embedded) ARM systems outnumber all others in multiples..
How often do you upgrade the kernel on your TV, IPCam, Android or IOS
phone during its lifetime ?

There are only two legitimate reasons to upgrade the kernel (on any system):
1) To fix a CVE that is *actually exploitable* on the device.
2) To provide a new feature that has become a must have.


Everybody, get your head out of thinking you know what Users want, you don't.
Not everybody cares about AWS Cloud, Enterpise Servers, Desktop Workstations,
XBMC Media boxes, portable USB Flash OSes....for Devuan to survive you need
to provide choice to fit the Users purpose.


The main reason I found and now use Devuan is because of a Google search
(because SystemD is inappropriate for single use systems) hitting those
ARM images.

Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

>   - I'd love to have the same OS on my PCs and ARMish boards
>   - but it didnt work out for too long now
>   - xcept for the 2 cubies which were transgraded from debian9 and so
>     have inherited debians kernel update way

>
> - And there you have it. Let's move on . . .
>
> ### plasma
> - Both of the Raspberry Pi 1 & 2 images made by danielinux on 2019-10-19
> pass a basic "boot and ping an internet server" test
>
>
> ## New Actions
> - We will drop official support for arm images
>
> - Send formal announcement of the 2.1 release including to announce list
>
> - Create post on forum where DIY arm images can be posted and encourage
> users to build their own with SDK.
> - plasma41 will host a torrent for arm images
I hope there will be an alternative to torrent (which not everybody can use) provided.

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