Smart business model.

To change topics a bit, anyone else feel like this Snowden interview is
annoying as hell with little information?

To someone who claims to have had PRIVAC access to multi-agency networks
sure does seem to talk about himself and his opinions a lot.

I’m pissed off a bit. This fuckin retard. Excommunicates himself to remain
safe and yet sounds more like a book salesman rather than someone with such
luxurious access privilege to the most powerful intelligence communities in
the world.

I’m 1 hour into this interview and I’m not reading one paragraph of this
asshat’s book. Even if I found a free pdf file. He sounds like a robot.

If you haven’t seen it yet, check it out. Maybe my expectations are too
high.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:15 AM psy <epsylon@???> wrote:

>
>
> On 10/23/19 9:08 AM, Alexander Ross wrote:
> > My thoughts:
> > xr seams to have a lot of people from local groups that have a err
> > right/fixed ways mentality. its to be expected when involving mid/older
> > generations. its how most of them socialize but its a concern too.
>
> Original [German Version]:
>
>
> https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/jutta-ditfurth-zu-extinction-rebellion-irrationalismus-einer-endzeit-sekte-16422668.html?printPagedArticle=true&fbclid=IwAR2sxetBOwQTMndAC-HiIPXQ6Y31YpvaPcavtBu2-z22UpGhV2i0QdyLsXg#pageIndex_2
>
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>
> “Is Extinction Rebellion an irrational, cult-like organization that
> makes use of religious doomsday rhetoric, embraces the political right
> and has questionable business affiliations? - interesting interview with
> Jutta Ditfurth, one of the original, radical members of the German Green
> Party who left the party early and has been a consistent and reliable
> voice in German political activism since the 1980s. Translation from
> German: Mrs. Ditfurth, you were present at the beginnings of the Greens
> and the environmental movement in Germany. Nevertheless, you advised
> against supporting the actions of "Extinction Rebellion" (XR). Why? I
> don't consider "Extinction Rebellion" to be an environmental movement in
> the classical sense, which would mean a critical, educational or even
> left-wing interest in the climate catastrophe and the connections
> between destruction of nature and capitalism. "Extinction Rebellion" is
> not intellectual, but ahistorical, does not address the intellect, but
> focuses on mystical-esoteric drama, pathetic costumes and has a
> centrally prefabricated stage design. The organization tries everything
> to cover its intellectual void with set pieces of a religious-violent
> ideology. Where do you see the problem? The organization wants to
> recruit young and politically inexperienced people and emotionalize
> them. This is how people are made manipulable, and that is the opposite
> of critical education. I have studied the writings, speeches and actions
> of the leaders of "Extinction Rebellion" in England. The co-founder
> Roger Hallam talks about the necessity of "self-sacrifice" and wants to
> see as many activists as possible as martyrs in prison. He says that
> "drastic measures" will be taken and that people "could die". XR carries
> out planned irrationalism. You also criticize the structure of the
> organization. What bothers you about that? "Extinction Rebellion" is
> neither decentralized nor a grassroots movement. The structure reminded
> me of my critical work on religious cults in the 1990s. "Extinction
> Rebellion" instructors set out the principles and structures from
> England. In order for them to fit the local conditions, they are
> superficially adapted a bit by people who better understand how leftists
> will react in Germany. The essentials, however, are centrally defined.
> But the most striking thing about digging a little deeper is the
> contradiction between the self-sacrificing irrationalism of an end-time
> cult and the tough, very rational business interests of part of the
> leadership. What interests do you mean? In England, "XR Business" was
> founded in spring, a close official cooperation with around two dozen
> companies and corporations such as Unilever and The Body Shop. The
> cooperation received the XR logo and had a website. After protests, the
> website and logo were withdrawn. But at the same time, the leading
> people emphasized that they want to continue working closely with these
> and other companies in the future. It's also about modernizing
> capitalism: how to make climate catastrophe the basis of business?
> "Extinction Rebellion" is to become the appropriate manipulable movement
> to influence public opinion sensitively. How much influence does Roger
> Hallam have on "Extinction Rebellion" in Germany? Roger Hallam is an
> organic farmer from Wales whose harvest was ruined by weeks of rain. He
> talks, for example, about the fact that humanity will be wiped out. He
> explicitly does not want leftists to be involved in the movement. This
> is also in the interest of the other leaders. Farhana Yamin of XR in
> England, for example, says that right-wingers are also welcome at XR.
> Hallam talks about the fact that racist and sexist people can also
> participate. I've published my warning on Twitter because I don't think
> this organisation can be reformed, nothing good will come out of it.
> Many groups from the undogmatic left scene have already distanced
> themselves from Extinction Rebellion. That's also why there were so few
> in Berlin. There are now mainly instructors, freeloaders, naive and
> esoteric people left. How do you rate the blockade actions that started
> on Monday? The blockade in Berlin was silly and far below expectations.
> When 270,000 people demonstrated with Fridays for Future and other
> groups in Berlin in September, the entire city centre was blocked. With
> statements like "We are the last generation before the extinction of
> mankind", there are ridiculously few people in the XR actions with about
> 1500 people after international mobilization. It is also quite easy to
> block Potsdamer Platz. In addition, the police were invited to
> participate in XR's de-escalation groups, as reported by the newspaper
> Tagesspiegel - which is now denied by XR. But everything seems to back
> up this report, because the protest actions were greatly mellowed
> last-minute.
>
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