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Συντάκτης: Ralph Ronnquist
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Αντικείμενο: Re: [devuan-dev] Suggest fork of apt
Certainly a good place to put it. As you have an account already, please
create that project there. We'll then "promote" it to "devuan-projects"
for the build pipeline soonish.

Ralph.

Andreas Messer wrote on 8/10/19 5:05 pm:
> Hi out there,
>
> after I was stumbling across apt/apt-get/aptitude been linked with
> libsystemd yesterday, I couldn't resist in opening a bug for apt:
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941937
>
> As you see without much success. It really disrupts me to see
> the concept of an all-mighty multi-function binary creeping into more
> and more applications, even system level tools. Making all them
> dependent and becoming un-substitutable.
>
> I know that we have libelogind, which now can substitute a part
> of libsystemd's functions. However the more tools make use of
> libsystemd, the more of the different functions of libsystemd
> might be needed to be substituted with real meat instead of
> just stubs in libelogind. apt is just one example: it uses
> the dbus api of libsystemd. (Remind libeleogind originally intended
> to be session management not dbus interface)
>
> I'm afraid, over the time libelogind will become a second
> libsystemd suffering from the same all-mighty single
> binary problem.
>
> I personally can not and will not accept the ongoing inclusion of
> libsystemd concept into system level tools. (lvm package also
> affected from this). I know that there is still a lot to do for
> beowulf and I'm really not willing to open up another bunch of
> tasks, since I'm also short in spare time. However:
>
> My suggestion is to fork apt for Devuan in order to be able to
> get rid of libsystemd dependance. Even if the common consensus
> will be negative on this, I will do this anyways for my machines and
> systems. My offer is just to share this work with people willing to
> use it as well. Thus I have another question: I think appropriate
> place for the forked apt might be the Devuan git repos, but I assume
> there are constraints on available server space. I don't want to clutter the
> server with stuff no-one except me uses, but I also would like to share
> my work. Would it be possible to place my apt-fork sources there or
> should I go for gitlab.com?
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
>
>
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