Rob is Good People. (So is Sarah.) I have no idea if either or both of
them is on Dng.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 18:44:46 -0500
From: Rob Landley <rob@???>
To: Sarah Newman <newmans@???>, Rick Moen <rick@???>,
    svlug@???
Subject: Re: [svlug] (forw) [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending
    SIGILL to Systemd

On 5/24/19 6:18 PM, Sarah Newman wrote:
> On 5/24/19 2:04 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
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>>
>> This is another reason for me to start to provide Devuan VMs in the
>> Proxmox VE environment I use to provide VMs of various distributions to
>> the participants of my trainings. So participants can have a look at it
>> and do exercises with it if they like. I already started to incorporate
>> information about Devuan in some of my slides.
>
>
> Anyone have opinions on whether Devuan worth it compared to just removing systemd? We make Debian images without systemd (except for udev, udev is
> still systemd) and they work.

I moved from xubuntu 14.04 to devuan ascii a month or so back and it's... fine?

It's debian. I have the usual complaints and bugs and weird version skew moving
from one distro to another, but red hat -> knoppix -> fedora -> ubuntu ->
xubuntu (and I'm probably missing at least one) means that's totally not a new
thing. (Plus needing to use RHELL and SLES and such at work over the years.)

I want to set their wireless network manager gui thing on fire (it remembers the
network access point password I typed in during system setup, but none of the
ones since ever save, nor does the "autoconnect" button; and of couse half the
time it doesn't notice wireless has changed until I open the gui, and if I open
the gui at the university it times out enumerating access points and the window
stays blank _forever_). But then I wanted to set networkmangler on fire for most
of a decade too. Apparently parsing the output if iwlist is hard for gui people
to wrap their heads around.

Rob

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