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On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:50 PM מטטרון מיטטרון <metatrongone@???>
wrote:

> Antarctica is gaining ice while the arctic is losing ice.
>
> Climate change is not fully understood. The above example is enough for me
> to believe it’s not a settled debate. All out denial is retarded and all
> out acceptance is retarded.
>
> If we can agree on that then I’m sure we can find something else to
> disagree on if you’d like.
>
> Don’t patronize people for sharing what they think here. Especially when
> it comes to science/population control. I’ve been on this email list for
> almost 8 years now and have never seen anyone put someone down or dismiss
> very real tactics for depopulation.
>
> If you don’t think the world won’t hijack a scary thing and monetize it by
> spreading more fear, then I’m not sure you understand the objective of
> “unSystem.” We don’t live in fear here. At least I don’t.
>
> To address the topic of the email, my thoughts on extinction rebellion is
> simple: when humans have more money, power, and technology than common
> people, common people begin to look like animals. A sort of filth that is
> not as optimized. Rebellion is almost certain in the case of mass
> extinction but how will you fight back if you don’t even know it’s
> happening?
>
> The little 30% increase in GDP attributed to mobile phone use for whatever
> country you named is negligible. Quite literally, 12 year olds in America
> and GB have more information at their fingertips than even the most
> technologically advanced third world adults. Hence, the reason why they
> only know to use their technology for very few things I.e. scamming via
> VOIP.
>
> I don’t want to get into suppositions too much because the world is a very
> complicated place. But, to believe there aren’t people in the world with
> the sole goal of power and manipulation is very “unSystem-like” in my
> honest opinion.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 1:45 PM Tim Schloendorn <timschloe@???>
> wrote:
>
>> lol, well, I wasn't looking for a fight to be honest, but you can start
>> reading here and work your way up through 123 years of peer reviewed
>> climate science.
>> https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
>> But shure, big rock in space, you got the scientific method all nailed
>> down, anything goes, right? Arrhenius was completly bonkers anyway, oh,
>> wait, yeah, except for that one foundational equation in kinetics named
>> after him.
>>
>> Reg Kenya: I didn't talk about the size of their GDP but the fact that
>> everybody uses mobile money all the time there while US citizens still use
>> cheques. But admited, China is far further and outstripping the West. But
>> at least Kenya is developing forward while we are moving backwards towards
>> a mystical great time somewhere in the past before the US turned evil when
>> they entered WW2 or whatever. And shove your "how much geometry and english
>> lessons did the average person" IQ tests your using to measure intelligence
>> up in a dark place, Mr. Scientific Method.
>>
>> ‪On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:19 PM ‫מטטרון מיטטרון‬‎ <
>> metatrongone@???> wrote:‬
>>
>>> So you can accurately create the vacuum (and temperatures of space),
>>> create an artificial atmosphere, inject greenhouse gasses next to a large
>>> heat supply?
>>>
>>> Please do tell me of your findings since thermodynamics is trivial.
>>> Also, you do understand the illiteracy rate of third world countries is why
>>> they cannot use technology properly right?
>>>
>>> I really want to piss on your fire for believe any place in the western
>>> world, even the most poor areas is behind some African country boasts
>>> subhuman level intelligence.
>>>
>>> I’ve wrote a paper on this very subject. You can’t take one small area,
>>> say it’s progressing because of “muh GDP” and use that to describe a whole
>>> continent.
>>>
>>> Also, for you to bash someone who disagrees with religious talks of
>>> climate change is almost pathetic. Just as you question him he is
>>> questioning you. Nice tactic there. I’m sure most people wouldn’t even
>>> respond. But you don’t want a silent victory do you? You want to argue.
>>>
>>> Give me a solid climate change model that mimics a 4 billion year old
>>> space rock and maybe we can discuss something. For now, you’re just picking
>>> a fight. People should be able to think what they want.
>>>
>>> Let me know when you get your hands on the materials I listed above
>>> because for now, unless you have the 4 billion years and materials to make
>>> a planet with a circumference of 40,000 km.
>>>
>>> I’ll wait for you to publish your research because after all,
>>> transhumanism should allow us to live that long correct?
>>>
>>> Oh wait, don’t forget the magnetosphere and molten iron core! Yeah, good
>>> luck with that Mr. Thermodynamics.
>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:15 AM Tim Schloendorn <
>>> timschloe@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The science behind climate change is pretty trivial, not that much to
>>>> learn from it. Just spectral analysis and thermodynamics, Arrhenius got the
>>>> point in the 19th centaury already. But yes, especially HFC-23 and SF6
>>>> might be interesting agents to increase the greenhouse effect on Mars. You
>>>> still need far too much mass to transport it over there, so local
>>>> production would be required.
>>>>
>>>> Reg. African digitial literacy: Lol, have you ever been to Kenya? 30%
>>>> of GDP was in mobile money there before that was a thing even in China.
>>>> Nairobi startup culture is far ahead of Berlin or Austin (yeah, the valley
>>>> died off a long time ago). Forget the Americas and Europe, we are the
>>>> laggards when it comes to mass adoption of digital social tech...
>>>>
>>>> ‪On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:05 AM ‫מטטרון מיטטרון‬‎ <
>>>> metatrongone@???> wrote:‬
>>>>
>>>>> For climate change, my opinion is that we take the information we
>>>>> gather from our own planet. If it is in fact human made, dissect that into
>>>>> terraforming or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> What else do we use that information for? I’m not a climate specialist
>>>>> or anything but terraforming is definitely being discussed as a viable
>>>>> option for mars to be populated.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:49 PM מטטרון מיטטרון <metatrongone@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What the hell are we going to do with all the humans who can’t even
>>>>>> use a smart phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad I’m in good company. Sometimes the narcissistic labels are a
>>>>>> little bit “edged.” Not comfortable to have certain conversations with the
>>>>>> people this will simply happen to like you pointed out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d like to think that the minority will be people that choose to
>>>>>> have those difficult discussions. You obviously know where this is headed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third world countries are literally non-salvageable. What will we do
>>>>>> with most of the world’s population when we deem them mentally incapable of
>>>>>> providing for themselves in the digital age? How will our and their future
>>>>>> co-exist? Is it possible? Or will it be like speaking to a dog or a rodent?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These questions won’t be asked in public. Not by big tech anyway.
>>>>>> They revel in social inclusion and avoid difficult but very important
>>>>>> questions about our future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine Bill Gates acknowledging the fact that he plans on
>>>>>> sterilizing Africa for the greater good of the digital divide? It won’t
>>>>>> happen. (Don’t take this hypothetical literally, not sure what Gates
>>>>>> actually is doing)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 5:15 PM Spencer Rhodes <
>>>>>> spencer.d.rhodes@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My sentiments align with yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no reason why this organism should ever leave the earth
>>>>>>> where it developed and spread across the galaxy either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's also no reason why we should not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Expanding my knowledge of the Universe and my ability to shape it
>>>>>>> should be my only motivation as a self-aware being.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What other point could there be to existing? None that benefits me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we can augment ourselves, or guide our own evolution, then we
>>>>>>> should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you pointed out, this^ is already happening, by accident more
>>>>>>> than by design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've always had a fascination with concepts such as
>>>>>>> self-augmentation and diy bio-hacking. When I stumbled on this weird idea
>>>>>>> called bitcoin in 2011 it turned me onto the concept of digital
>>>>>>> self-sovereignty, and self-sovereignty in general.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These (self-empowering/self-leveraging) are the kinds of
>>>>>>> technologies and ideas that I want to focus my energy on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think these technologies are for everyone and they never
>>>>>>> will be. Those of us with the intelligence, and will to use them have a
>>>>>>> personality predisposition that is rare in the population. I've mulled my
>>>>>>> entire life over the nature vs. nurture source of this predisposition, but
>>>>>>> that's not really a relevant question anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point that I'm reaching for is that there will be minority of
>>>>>>> humans who guide this process deliberately, and there will be a majority
>>>>>>> for whom it simply happens to them, by accident or by intent of others
>>>>>>> among the aforementioned minority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The final point is that if you do not choose to be, and work very
>>>>>>> hard to be, in that minority, the choice is made for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've trashed the notion that you can save 'humanity'. Most of them
>>>>>>> are too dim in mind to be saved(self-enabled), and thus are not worth
>>>>>>> saving anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm talking about an evolutionary fork. I think it's been happening
>>>>>>> for a while anyway. *'Narcissistic sociopath' *is such a dirty word
>>>>>>> for the beautifully self-aware evolutionary outliers in the herd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ‪On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM ‫מטטרון מיטטרון‬‎ <
>>>>>>> metatrongone@???> wrote:‬
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ITT, people are forgetting the earth wasn’t designed to house
>>>>>>>> augmented humans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The side effects of technology use (ICTs) is largely unknown. We
>>>>>>>> may be directly destroying our planet to utilize technology or we may not
>>>>>>>> be harming anything at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With that said, when we are no longer fully human, what does that
>>>>>>>> mean for the planet and the pollutants we already release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Logically, more machines means more emissions. Whether they be
>>>>>>>> fossil fuels or some other pollutant I don’t give a shit about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My opinion, as long as I have cybernetic capabilities and the
>>>>>>>> option to live a more “robust” existence, I don’t give two shits about the
>>>>>>>> earth or the pollutants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The nerds like Turing and Von Neumann should have had the foresight
>>>>>>>> to account for a world with more digital intelligence than biological and
>>>>>>>> the chemical byproducts of making/using computers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With that said, we can thank third world countries for making the
>>>>>>>> oceans brown and thank large US cities for having miles of trash in the
>>>>>>>> oceans as well. Ever flew over the Atlantic from Miami? Trash for tens of
>>>>>>>> miles in the water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little food for thought if you live in the US, over 95% of the
>>>>>>>> population has PFAS (perflouroalkyl substances) melded into their body.
>>>>>>>> Whatever makes the eggs not stick to the pan, amirite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 7:45 AM Spencer Rhodes <
>>>>>>>> spencer.d.rhodes@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't interacted with any of them, and they've only been on my
>>>>>>>>> radar for about a month now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just another doomsday cult.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doomsday cults are far from new, but this pseudo-science climate
>>>>>>>>> change version has been gaining traction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As the Western population became more educated and scientifically
>>>>>>>>> inclined, (industrialization, public education, mass-production of books)
>>>>>>>>> the old doomsday cult of Abrahamic Religion started losing it's hold.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, you have to tell people the world is going to end in
>>>>>>>>> pseudo-scientific terms instead of mythological terms now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you have a generation of young people that are so fucking
>>>>>>>>> dumb or so self-focused that you can't even hold their attention long
>>>>>>>>> enough to explain these psudo-scientific terms to them. So, you dumb it
>>>>>>>>> down even more and re-brand it as something edgy and cool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From their website:
>>>>>>>>> [image: The Truth Extinction Rebellion Extinction Rebellion.png]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:42 AM Alexander Ross <
>>>>>>>>> maillist_unsystem@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wondering what people on this group think of them. seams like a
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> productive protest effort. only managed to walk around waterloo
>>>>>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>>>>>> in the evening on sat 22rd, that night it was cleared. So not
>>>>>>>>>> seen much
>>>>>>>>>> in person. Nor was there much going on by that time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Experiences?
>>>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>>> Feedback?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What your currently or intending or wishing to do instead to see
>>>>>>>>>> progress in world?
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