On 2019年4月23日 11:24:39 JST, Rick Moen <rick@???> wrote:
>Dan, it is _not_ time for you to leave. Please stay.
>
>I've seen only the public portions of these text-format interactions,
>but think I'm seen enough data to assess the basic situation. Although
>I'm a friendly outsider to Devuan Project governance, I've seen many
>similar destructive spirals in open source projects over many decades:
>It starts with well-intended individual actions taken without adequate
>consultation, which cause reactions from other parties who feel taken
>by
>surprise. When those reactions are in e-mail, or (slightly worse) in
>e-mail with a large audience such as on mailing lists, then a
>communication anti-pattern tends to take hold that drives the parties
>into confrontation, frustration, and perception of harm that could have
>been resolved if the parties had switched to more-interactive,
>more-personal, and less public means of communication -- such as voice
>telephone or Internet video conferencing.
>
>As to Denis/Jaromil's comments about the ci.devuan.org failure, yes, he
>spoke sharply to you about some of your initial steps, but, if you
>review what he said, the main points were that (1) better consultation
>should have occurred throughout and (2) he asked you to wait before
>taking additional action. IMO, if you set aside for a moment the tinge
>of personal accusation you're perceiving in what he wrote, you will see
>that those are reasonable comments from a project-management
>perspective.
>
>Back when I was manager of a department of system administrators, I
>told my employees that I'd shield them from problems visited onto our
>department from other parts of the firm and help their professional
>development, and in return I asked and expected two things: (1)
>Do their assigned share of our work, but equally important, (2) make
>sure I was never blindsided about anything they did, i.e., if there
>was bad news in which they were involved, I expected to hear it from
>them first and immediately, not later or from anyone else.
>
>Devuan Project of course differs in being less-hierarchical not to
>mention volunteer, but good and timely communication is every bit as
>important if not more so, and the antipatterns I've seen lately appear
>to _all_ involve failure to do timely consultation, and then reliance
>on
>known-problematic _asynchronous_ communication methods such as e-mail /
>mailing lists that are inadequate to the situation and tend to worsen
>interpersonal conflict, avoidably.
>
>Devuan has suffered enough loss, and I wish everyone would please
>de-escalate and to understand that e-mail is not the right solution for
>all communication needs, especially where there is risk of
>contentiousness and hard feelings.
>
>And you belong here, and would be greatly missed.
>
>
>--
>Cheers, "I am not a vegetarian because I love
>animals;
>Rick Moen I am a vegetarian because I hate
>plants."
>rick@??? -- A. Whitney
>Brown
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Hi,
I second what Rick Moen said.
Centurion_Dan, please stay.
And guys, relax please.
If you don t, the situation won t
defuse.
Yoroshiku!
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