On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 01:28:43PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:08:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> > > > g4sra via Dng <dng@???> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Media partitioning, formatting
> > > > > Configure mountpoints
> > > > > Install Bootloader
> > > > > Install Kernel, Modules & Firmware
> > > > > Install Shell & package management software
> > > > > Configure console
> > > > > Configure network
> > > > > Boot
> > > > >
> > > > > Discuss...
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> >
> > I'm not sure how minimal your preinstall would be, but what I've found
> > difficult in the old days was finding the right device drivers,
> > figuring out which packages to install to get them, enough network
> > configuration to be able to download them, and, in the *really* old
> > days, guessing the monitor geometry I need to get X to work.
> >
> > It was annoying to have to have to figure these thing out after install
> > time whem the installer had already found answers that worked for it.
> >
>
> :D
>
> You see: in just two emails we have come from a *minimal* base
> installation (a shell with a kernel, a bootloader, and a working
> dpkg/apt) to a fully-functioning network server (an ssh server with
> configurable keys!) and a working X config. Another three emails and
> we get requests for automatic partitioning, automagic disk encryption,
> remote shell during install, choice between different mirror
> configurations, localisation, choice of meta-packages for typical
> use-cases and.....
>
> ...and we end up with something of the same complexity of the current
> debian-installer.
>
> We keep saying we crave for minimalism. But the same concept of
> *minimalism* has become quite bloated in the last 20 years :)

Most of the things I want are already there in the installer itself.
Which means, if I could just install the installer ...

And X seems to be able to figure out the monitor timings itself nowadays.

-- hendrik