On 20-11-18 18:38, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 13:09:59 +0100
> info at smallinnovations dot nl <info@???> wrote:
>
>> On 18-11-18 09:36, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
>>> debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and
>>> personal insults). The truth is that too many people have a problem
>>> with other people not liking systemd and not wanting it around. So
>>> I am sorry but Devuan will stay around.
>>>
>>> HND
>>>
>>> KatolaZ
>> That had been to be expected the origins of Devuan were not a polite
>> conversation and language used on this list against debian-devs still
>> contains harsh words.
> And proud of it. Debian's behavior in 2014 was inexcusable. Systemd is
> inexcusable except as a profit motive to Redhat. They laughed at Devuan
> and said it would never get off the ground. Devuan persists today, as
> an ever more popular distro, in spite of the stumbling blocks the
> Debian systemd afficianados throw into Debian.
>
> In this new moment of love and understanding, it's perhaps instructive
> to see exactly how the sausage was made:
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
>
> Gotta give that guy Paul Tagliamonte credit: He kept things on the
> straight and narrow to make systemd not only the default, but perhaps
> the only, sending any lines of questioning he didn't like to other
> threads. It would be interesting to find out his motives.
>
> And who can forget the GR, where, at the last minute, when it appeared
> that they stacked the deck, by adding a new alternative, when it looked
> like the GR would demand Debian work without a systemd PID1?
>
> Why in the WORLD would Devuan ever assimilate back into the corrupt
> Debian?
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Well you are proud of it. What exactly do you expect from a systemd
aficionado when he/she reads a message from a Devuan developer? Red
carpet, flowers and bourbon? Truth is harsh words do not help anyone.
And not all debian-devs are systemd fans but do not like harsh word
about Debian either. So as long as KatolaZ wants and be able to stay
there it will help Devuan and possibly win some developers/maintainers
for Devuan. That is what i was talking about not about a return to Debian.

Grtz

Nick