On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:22:18AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >   I'm well aware of the present limitations that make it impossible to
> > let Devuan be an indipendent distribution: too little manpower behind it
> > and too llittle corporate/VC support for it.  It could well be that
> > Devuan will never be anything more than a systemd-less-Debian, always
> > behind it's parent distribution and always trying to catch up to their
> > design implementations.  Of course I wouldn't call this success.
>
> I think that instead of making Devuan independent, we should strive to kill
> it. Just not in the way Lennart wants.
>
> By keeping all unbelievers to a ghetto, systemd proponents make way for an
> excuse for putting Debian even deeper into the systemd land. Thus, widening
> the gap is IMHO the worst thing you can do.
>
> Instead, any package diff from Debian should be considered a problem to be
> fixed. Any patches, instead of removing systemd support, should make things
> work both with systemd and modular init/rc systems. And be upstreamed as
> soon as possible.

This is not gonna happen, given for instance the way our presence in
debian-devel has been "cheered up" (with aggressive posts and personal
insults). The truth is that too many people have a problem with other
people not liking systemd and not wanting it around. So I am sorry but
Devuan will stay around.

HND

KatolaZ

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