On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:58:33 +0200
KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
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> > > c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's
> > > unacceptable about systemd - in other words, what exactly do you
> > > mean by "the Unix paradigm" in your comment above?
> > Split out the PID 1 stuff to just the bare minimum of what needs to
> > be there, organize everything else into appropriate units.
> >
> > This is not a trivial project, which is why nobody has taken it on
> > AFAIK, but systemd must be doing something that package maintainers
> > and developers want. That suggests that the way to beat them is to
> > do that, only better.
>
> The problem is exactly there: you don't really need systemd if you
> just need a reliable PID 1. What appeals systemd's enthusiasts is the
> process supervision and management system.

In the preceding paragraph, you perfectly described both runit and s6.

SteveT

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