On 10/17/18 8:51 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 17:37:14, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
>
>> On 10/17/18 8:24 AM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>>> On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>>>> Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
>>>> of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
>>>> stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An
>>>> edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit recognise unit files and run
>>>> scripts when instructed to.
>>>>
>>>> Before I get a barrage of smart-ass replies like 'You do not
>>>> understand', yes, I know, it is EASIER SAID than DONE. Everything
>>>> technical is like that, unfortunately.
>>> This has been discussed before on this list. My proposal was to replace
>>> libsystemd0 with a devuan specific version (see Re: [DNG] Provides:
>>> libsystemd0 (was Re: systemd and ssh-server)) with a modular api system.
>>> Which also could be extended to a version that uses the systemd unit
>>> file.
>>>
>>> But it is not simple and i do not have the programmer skills to build it
>>> my self.
>> Actually, it's NOT that difficult...
>>
>> On one distro I've seen, the sysv init scripts sources a system shell
>> function file.
> Care to name that distro?
>
>> One of those functions would test for the presence of elements of
>> systemd. If found, use systemd and it's unit files. Else use "normal"
>> init mechanisms.
>>
>> I used to patch the init scripts to make systemd "vanish" for certain
>> things... Then the distro devs pulled that ability from that system
>> shell function file.
> How long ago?
>
>> "They" REALLY want to force the use of systemd.
>>
>> I REALLY don't want to use systemd. I've seen too many problems since
>> it's introduction.
>>
>> Now that I've completed my sermon to the choir... Shall I speak on the
>> patch to Apache they felt necessary that broke serving wordpress?
> Not unless it's relevant / important to Devuan :)
>
>
> Antony.
Anthony
I'm trying REALLY hard to not escalate this so I'll just leave the
distro unnamed, if I may.

It isn't out of North Carolina though.

The sysV patch trick disappeared... I guess about two years ago in a
rolling update.  It made me unhappy.