On 10/16/18 10:37 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Simon Hobson (simon@???):
>
>> IMO you've demonstrated why such things as DNS-SD and mDNS are a good idea.
> They might be a good idea, but not on my networks.
>
> (I continually find myself making the point on Dng that the quest
> for universal solutions may be noble in its aims but will never
> really succeed very well.)
>
>> You and I have the skills to go and find the printer's IP address, but we are not typical users who cannot do that.
> Well, since you raise that assertion, no, I do _not_ agree. They can do it
> fairly easily. They just aren't _likely_ to. Steps:
>

> 1.  Write down the printer make/model.
> 2.  Web-search documentation.
> 3.  Find where in the documentation it says how to make the printer
>      print out or otherwise display its network configuration.  Do that.

>
>
>> In much the same way, you (I assume) and I are happy to edit text
>> files etc to configure our systems, but we are not typical users who
>> cannot do that.
> Again, they _can_. They just aren't likely to.
>
> E.g., at one point, the Vice-President of Silicon Valley Linux User
> group asked on a mailing list how to solve a technical problem, and
> I replied back stating a complete solution using basic command-line
> tools. He said he wasn't willing to do that, and insisted on a
> graphical-tool equivalent. I cheerily replied that I had no problem
> with him imposing that additional requirement, wished him the very
> best of luck, and moved on to other priorities.
>
> Somehow, he found this dissatisfying. I, on the other hand, appreciated
> him warning me that I was better off lavishing my available time and
> energy elsewhere, so at least *I* got something out of the encounter.
>
>> So it comes down to a) try to kill the chatty discovery protocols and
>> perpetuate the "geeks vs users" divide....
> Was there a particular part of 'not on _my_ network' that was unclear?
>
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For real fun, turn on Avahi along with all the pulse audio stuff.

Watch your network get flooded with multi-cast audio.

Scramble to shut it down as fast as you can.

There is a reason the mbone went nowhere.