On September 20, 2018 12:32:07 AM GMT+03:00, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt
><slitt@???> wrote:
>> >Long observation of
>> >people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak cruelly to
>> >individuals and speak cruelly about groups of people, those groups
>> >having nothing to do with the list's core foundation (Linux sans
>> >systemd, in our case).
>> Sorry, Steve, that's intellectually dishonest. You're painting a
>black-and-white picture of "if people oppose CoCs then they must want
>to do things not allowed by the CoCs", however in all instances I have
>encountered where the need for a CoC was disputed I have seen the exact
>opposite. You do not need a CoC to protect people from bad words, and
>people who are contributing nothing but insults are quickly killfiled.
>CoCs do nothing but introduce filibustering in between contributors.
>The previous "Code of Conflict" was entirely adequate. The creator of
>the Contributor Covenant has written a "Post-Meritocracy Manifesto"[1]
>which describes meritocracies as "benefit[ing] those with privilege",
>aka social justice bullshit. The Linux kernel community /depends/ on a
>meritocracy, and this is absurd.
>
>The Linux kernel community, as any coding community, is based on
>people that do things together, share common goals and principles,
>trust each other, and produce actual code.
>
>Social science is very good for discussing about the plus and minus of
>a community, which behaviours are good or bad, which things could be
>done in order for the community to become more like this or more like
>that. But social science alone does not deliver code. And code is what
>your computer needs to run. You can argue as much as you want with
>your wifi card, or even yell at it in rage, but that won't convince it
>to work without a proper device driver for your OS. That driver needs
>a hacker to be written.
>
>I know that what I say is harsh, and that many people might feel
>offended by that, but honestly most of the people I have heard talking
>about CoCs and post-meritocracy so far are those who have no clue of
>how a large (or even a small) piece of software is put together. There
>are obviously exceptions, but are not many, unfortunately.
>
>The Linux kernel is available to billions of people only thanks to a
>bunch of damn good hackers, who have collectively produced code worth
>millions of man-months without the need of a silly CoC or of a
>post-meritocracy manifesto. IMHO, the only "privilege" they have
>enjoyed is to have produced something useful for a lot of
>people. Sadly, most of us can only dream about that.
>
>My2Cents
>
>KatolaZ

Thank you. This is what I was trying to convey, perhaps my lack of proficiency in the English language prevented me from doing so (plus some leftover outrage perhaps).

           m712
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